What is the fight over appointing a Supreme Court Justice really about?

Bodecea · 2020-09-23T16:52:37.756Z

tzu:

Abortion is about family size, and sex, which is about money: who has it, and who is less subject to paternslism the more they earn.

And abortion is really about trying to control women’s bodies.

Optrader · 2020-09-23T17:13:00.185Z

Bodecea:

tzu:

Abortion is about family size, and sex, which is about money: who has it, and who is less subject to paternslism the more they earn.

And abortion is really about trying to control women’s bodies.

I don’t want to control their body, just protect the life they created by not exercising SELF control…

highroller · 2020-09-23T17:15:24.411Z

Which is in their body.

johnwk2 · 2020-09-23T19:41:19.112Z

fallenturtle:

but mostly abortion.

The right to keep and bear arms isn’t really in danger anymore… its more an issue of which types of arms you can keep and bear.

And by that standard, the communist/socialist controlled Democrat Leadership does want to disarm American citizens. So, you are wrong!

Perhaps because you have not been paying attention;

Also see Harris asserting we, the people, have no need for “assault weapons”, which means the very kind of contemporary firearm a foot solder would have to protect against a despotic government.

JWK

Our Founders intended ordinary citizens to keep and bear arms [a contemporary fire arm used by foot soldiers] so they would be ready and able to defend themselves against a despotic government if necessary. The AR-15-semi is a civilian version of the United States military’s M16 and ought to be kept by ordinary citizens to defend against a tyrannical government.

JayJay · 2020-09-23T19:43:16.279Z

Optrader:

Bodecea:

tzu:

Abortion is about family size, and sex, which is about money: who has it, and who is less subject to paternslism the more they earn.

And abortion is really about trying to control women’s bodies.

I don’t want to control their body, just protect the life they created by not exercising SELF control…

But once it’s been forced outside of that body, don’t come asking me to help support social policies that will assist in keeping the baby alive.

Bootstraps, baby!

WuWei · 2020-09-23T21:17:14.922Z

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ThrowCop · 2020-09-23T19:56:04.220Z

Always has been.

Optrader · 2020-09-23T20:12:26.689Z

JayJay:

Optrader:

Bodecea:

tzu:

Abortion is about family size, and sex, which is about money: who has it, and who is less subject to paternslism the more they earn.

And abortion is really about trying to control women’s bodies.

I don’t want to control their body, just protect the life they created by not exercising SELF control…

But once it’s been forced outside of that body, don’t come asking me to help support social policies that will assist in keeping the baby alive.

Bootstraps, baby!

Here’s a good social policy for you:

USE A CONDOM!! They’re cheap and available in many fine gas stations near you…

JayJay · 2020-09-23T20:13:46.957Z

Once again…not a rebuttal to the fact that it’s the pro-birth, not the pro-life, movement.

Because it’s easier to seize the moral high ground when you take a stance that requires no sacrifice on your part.

WuWei · 2020-09-23T20:15:26.224Z

No, it doesn’t require any sacrifice on my part. It’s not my baby.

If I’m the father or mother then yes, it does.

johnwk2 · 2020-09-23T20:16:57.110Z

Kentucky to quarantine anyone attending easter services

johnwk2:

And by that standard, the communist/socialist controlled Democrat Leadership does want to disarm American citizens. So, you are wrong!

There is no such thing as the “communist/socialist controlled Democrat Leadership”. So, you are wrong!

johnwk2:

Perhaps because you have not been paying attention;

Also see Harris asserting we, the people, have no need for “assault weapons”, which means the very kind of contemporary firearm a foot solder would have to protect against a despotic government.

Thank you for providing evidence that the right to keep and bear arms isn’t really in danger anymore… its more an issue of which types of arms you can keep and bear.

So, now you are agreeing that Biden has confirmed he wants to disarm American citizens of the AR-15? If you are not, then here is his confirmation:

And so, we get back to the subject of the thread and what the real fight is about in appointing a Supreme Court Justice.

Do we appoint a Justice who will support and defend our written Constitution, and its documented legislative intent as expressed during the constitution’s framing and ratification debates, which gives context to its text?

Or, do we appoint a Justice to the Court who will apply the Humpty Dumpty Theory of Language to our Constitution?

“When I use a word,” Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, “it means just what I choose it to mean- neither more nor less.”

JWK

The fundamental principle of constitutional construction is that effect must be given to the intent of the framers of the organic law and of the people adopting it. This is the polestar in the construction of constitutions, all other principles of construction are only rules or guides to aid in the determination of the intention of the constitution’s framers.— numerous citations omitted__ Vol.16 American Jurisprudence, 2d Constitutional law (1992 edition), pages 418-19 - - - Par. 92. Intent of framers and adopters as controlling

JayJay · 2020-09-23T20:17:21.989Z

WuWei:

No, it doesn’t require any sacrifice on my part. It’s not my baby.

If I’m the father or mother then yes, it does.

Hence it’s easy for you to take a “moral” stance.

WuWei · 2020-09-23T22:39:05.181Z

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WuWei · 2020-09-23T20:20:25.329Z

JayJay:

WuWei:

No, it doesn’t require any sacrifice on my part. It’s not my baby.

If I’m the father or mother then yes, it does.

Hence it’s easy for you to take a “moral” stance.

No, it’s not easy. It’s correct. I am morally responsible for my actions and choices, not yours.

If I choose to help you, it’s my choice.

If the child is a year old and I decide “now’s not the right time, it’s too hard”, what’s the moral stance?

Ben_Natuf · 2020-09-23T20:27:59.541Z

nope. very recent case, scotus knew well the compact was out there and sent a message. politicians may not give away the votes of the people

Ben_Natuf · 2020-09-23T20:30:01.507Z

you don’t. thats for certain

Bodecea · 2020-09-23T20:44:38.003Z

Optrader:

Bodecea:

tzu:

Abortion is about family size, and sex, which is about money: who has it, and who is less subject to paternslism the more they earn.

And abortion is really about trying to control women’s bodies.

I don’t want to control their body, just protect the life they created by not exercising SELF control…

No you don’t.

Bodecea · 2020-09-23T20:45:47.973Z

Optrader:

JayJay:

Optrader:

Bodecea:

tzu:

Abortion is about family size, and sex, which is about money: who has it, and who is less subject to paternslism the more they earn.

And abortion is really about trying to control women’s bodies.

I don’t want to control their body, just protect the life they created by not exercising SELF control…

But once it’s been forced outside of that body, don’t come asking me to help support social policies that will assist in keeping the baby alive.

Bootstraps, baby!

Here’s a good social policy for you:

USE A CONDOM!! They’re cheap and available in many fine gas stations near you…

Time to pass laws controlling men’s bodies.

Oldandtired · 2020-09-23T20:49:47.771Z

Speak for yourself. There are many of us who help out families with our own money and time.

Safiel · 2020-09-23T21:09:12.342Z

To answer the OP Title???

Just too many ■■■■■■■ things to list.

abortion

gun rights/control

free exercise/establishment clause and the intersection thereof

campaign finance

LGBQT in all its many forms and applications

environmental protection

federalism

habeas corpus

ad nauseum

A new conservative Justice would bode well for some of these things and others and bode evil for some of these things and others.

My expectation is that there may be some judicial drift in the wake of this new confirmation. Justice Kavanaugh in some areas and Justice Gorsuch in others.