What is needed for the US actually compete with china in the future

Currently china is producing and using 1460% more steel than the US (over 60% of the worlds total) has about 13 times as many engineering graduates each year and a real industrial capacity an order of magnitude higher thn ours. When I traveled through china for business it was painfully obvious our cities are closer in quality to south Africa or brazil than China, the infrastructure was on a completely different level. Certain stats are just so absurd they seem like propaganda, like apparently china has 232 times the shipbuilding capacity of the US ( https://www.csis.org/analysis/threat-chinas-shipbuilding-empire ) but after looking at the total output of ship production and realizing 2/3s of the total worlds ships built in china each year and checking satellite maps of some of chinas shipyards it seems possible.

On top of all this we have pushed the worlds most natural resource rich country russia right into their arms.

The only thing we have going for us is the US being the worlds reserve currency, something that it seems most politicians are doing everything possible to ruin.

What are some policies that you think would possibly make America more competitive going forward?

When were you in China and where did you go?

Is that your reply? seriously?

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I’m curious as to where he visited and when. H lps the context of development comparison.

Are you denying we have a serious problem with our lack of heavy industries…one that threatens our own national security?

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I asked a follow up question. That was the extent of it. Have you been triggered?

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What you attempted to is to discredit him and deflect from important topic.

Do you agree we have a national security concerns with lack of ship building, steel and other heavy industries needed to sustain a prolong war? Or materials needed to build our infrastructure to propel our nation deep into 22 century and beyond?

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No, I asked a follow up question. What you inferred is on you. I’ll talk to the OP to actually discuss.

As for pushing Russia into China hands…I’ve been saying this since NATO expansion. Viewing Russia as a threat.

No you were trolling…OP had a legitimate concerns/discussion.

Oh…and yes I do support bring in talent from all corners to compete with foreign advisors such as China. As someone touch on earlier, our educational system failed in doing just that.

We also need skilled machinist and other craftsmen to carry out necessary jobs to compete.

First went to Shanghai on business mid 2023 for just a few days, was blown away so a couple months ago when I had to go to Shenzhen for work I decided to stay for an extra two weeks and travel to beijing by train. Spent 2 days in xanning and one xinyang mainly want to see what the smaller cities are like and the rest in beijing. Their rail system is amazing, it was equivalent of going from nyc to atlanta in less thn 3 hours for 20$.

I also talked to a lot of random people, my mandarin is pretty crappy and im pretty much illiterate so wanted to get some good practice and try to get an idea of the average chinese citizens view on stuff. There were actually a surprising amount of people who were really happy to talk to an American attempting to speaking Mandarin.

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One thing I realized is vast majority really like their government one guy explained really well in a way i had not thought of, before 40 years ago china would have famines ever few years killing millions and most people remember a few decades ago how far behind they were from the rest of the world. If the US went from basically living in 1800s standards to 2024 chinese cities and infrastructure in a few decades we would put up with stuff we otherwise wouldn’t. Instead it seems like america is regressing so people are going to be hyper critical of government.

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Beijing plowed hundreds of billions of dollars into its shipping and shipbuilding ecosystem through the 2000s.

These state-driven efforts helped China undercut competition and glean market share from erstwhile global leaders.

This is called industrial policy.

Distort markets in favor of domestic production the same way China and Korea do for their critical industries.

Russia is a threat. NATO admitting new members who want to join it is not the problem, its the solution.

as to the thread topic, what is needed is a complete revamping of our monetary and tax policies.

  1. Transition from income tax/subsidy to the APTT +Tariff System
  2. Tie Money supply to GDP limiting M1 (may be M2 I’m thinking about, been a while since I looked) to a percentage of GDP

Deflection is a sign of being triggered.

You seem angry that people challenged your deflection.

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Good post.

To the thread title: why does the US need to “compete” with China or anyone else?

What are we competing for?

No need for “competition”. Just let Hunter and Joe Biden continue to do business with the ChiComs.

You know, the business Ol Joey kept telling everyone he had no part of or discussed with freshly pardoned son Hunter!
:rofl:

When it comes to production, nobody can underbid commies. They have forced labor and a country the size of China grinds workers until they die and easily replaces them.
If Americans were all to suddenly become minimalists it would help.

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