What Is Liberalism and Why Does It Matter?

[biggestal99]

@Mountain_Soldier

Except the right to keep and bear arms, obviously.

You can possess a gun or guns if you want to.

What if you have money you can’t go to the local gun shop and purchase one to protect yourself.

Comn get real.

Allan

[Call_me_Ishmael]

@conan

And ACLU needs victims to exist…even if they have to create em.

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And same with Democrats.

[Mountain_Soldier]

@biggestal99

@Mountain_Soldier

Except the right to keep and bear arms, obviously.

You can possess a gun or guns if you want to.

What if you have money you can’t go to the local gun shop and purchase one to protect yourself.

Comn get real.

Allan

So you’re telling me you’ve never been anti-gun?

Does that extend to Obamacare too? What if you can’t afford it? Oh yeah, the state will punish you even more.

State mandated and provided firearms… I could get behind that.

[biggestal99]

@Mountain_Soldier

So you’re telling me you’ve never been anti-gun?

How long have you been on the forum.

States can and do regulate arms in a constitutional way.

Even here in jersey you can purchase arms.

Not anti-gun. Just pro states rights.

What’s right for jersey is not right for Texas and visa versa.

Allan

[WuWei]

Bear.

[WuWei]

@biggestal99

in a constitutional way.

Incorrect.

[WuWei]

@biggestal99

States can and do regulate arms in a constitutional way.

Even here in jersey you can purchase arms.

Not liberalism.

[biggestal99]

@WuWei

Incorrect

Once again (if I can take such liberties), we will have to agree to disagree on the constitutionally of jersey guns laws.

Allan

[WuWei]

@biggestal99

@WuWei

Incorrect

Once again (if I can take such liberties), we will have to agree to disagree on the constitutionally of jersey guns laws.

Allan

Once again, motivated reasoning ignoring words.

[WuWei]

@Eagle-Keeper

Classic Liberalism isn’t about the social issues.

I don’t know that we can say that anymore.

[WuWei]

@PurpnGold

Protection of individuals…from other individuals… isn’t that social?

I might have missed this one. That’s an interesting and profound question.

We have agreed in the past that we have a right to be racist, no?

If so, why would you use government to protect an individual from an individual?

[WuWei]

@Eagle-Keeper

@PurpnGold

@Eagle-Keeper

See my response to Sneaky in Post 18. Classic Liberalism isn’t about the social issues.

Protection of individuals…from other individuals… isn’t that social?

I’m talking about the social issues of today, i.e. abortion, LGBTQ, etc. There’s nothing specifically about that in Classic Liberalism (from my link anyhow).

That’s true and why you have to apply principles, not details.

[WuWei]

@biggestal99

@WuWei

You are a Big Government Union Dem.

I am also A paying member of the ACLU. I support 100% the BLM movement.

You can’t pigeonhole me. Lol.

Allan

What does the “U” in “ACLU” stand for?

[WuWei]

@WuWei

You have no idea what BLM even is.

This one aged well, huh @biggestal99?

[WuWei]

@biggestal99

Of course I know what BLM movement is.

and this one.

[WuWei]

@Impenitent

@WuWei

@Impenitent

historically speaking, the promise of equality was a lie…

Unfulfilled. Now it is fulfilled.

How will the story continue?

it’s not, it never can be

the story, lies and promises, will continue to drip from the tongues of every politician

It was never equality of outcomes.

[biggestal99]

@WuWei

What does the “U” in “ACLU” stand for?

Union.

And I am a dues paying member.

Allan

[biggestal99]

@WuWei

This one aged well, huh @biggestal99?

How so?

Allan

[WuWei]

Recently an accusation was made against me; that I “never state my position.”

I do. I did in this thread. Obviously the accusation was based on wanting specific minutia, but that’s not how I operate. As an exception, I will address some small thinking here. As a liberal.

1. Any time there is a perceived conflict between individual rights and “the common good”, individual rights carry the weight. We are a republic.

2. “Public safety” is no excuse for violating rights.

3. Work arounds and playing games to further an agenda is unconscionable.

4. Although a draft would greatly benefit the vast majority of males in this country, it is involuntary servitude and should never be done again. If it isn’t worth fighting for, let it fail.

5. America First, Not Only. When we have taken care of our emergency, we can help others. Not before.

6. We are in no position to try to shape the morality of other countries.

7. Democracy is not the only form of government and probably not even the best in many places. Stop trying to force it.

8. Abortion is a moral issue. The government has no place in it.

9. Homosexual marriage was covered in 1868 by the 14th Amendment. Get over it.

10. “Better” never means better for everybody. Might want to remember that.

11. Nobody, especially pols, is as good; or bad as we want to believe.

12. Just because you didn’t get your way doesn’t mean it was racism. In fact it probably wasn’t. Most people don’t give a damn what color your skin is. They care about how your wants impact their wants. If you feel like you’re being discriminated against, look at your own culture first; are you imposing yours on theirs? That’s where the conflict arises.

13. Stop putting people over policies. You’re playing into their hands. “Charismatic leader” is a recipe for disaster.

14. Segregation is human nature.

15. I owe you nothing. If I choose to help you, it was my choice.

There’s 15. I will entertain questions for those who falsely claim I don’t take positions. I will not commit to answering every question. I choose.

Government in all it’s forms is an imposition; a necessary evil. It is not a solution. As such, we should always be reluctant to use it. Not run straight to it first.

It is a last resort because it has absolute power. Once invoked, it can’t even be controlled, much less removed from the issue.

Government doesn’t ask, it orders. And the threat of force is always there.

I am a liberal.

• Small government
• Individual rights
• Freedom over liberty
• No prior restraint
• Strict interpretation