What Is Liberalism and Why Does It Matter?

Mountain_Soldier · 2020-12-16T23:11:28.206Z

biggestal99:

biggestal99:

“the belief that it is the aim of politics to preserve individual rights and to maximize freedom of choice.”

This is what I as a liberal believe.

Allan

Except the right to keep and bear arms, obviously.

WuWei · 2020-12-16T23:43:36.655Z

Impenitent:

historically speaking, the promise of equality was a lie…

Unfulfilled. Now it is fulfilled.

How will the story continue?

Impenitent · 2020-12-16T23:47:56.827Z

WuWei:

Impenitent:

historically speaking, the promise of equality was a lie…

Unfulfilled. Now it is fulfilled.

How will the story continue?

it’s not, it never can be

the story, lies and promises, will continue to drip from the tongues of every politician

biggestal99 · 2020-12-17T09:32:28.621Z

Mountain_Soldier:

Except the right to keep and bear arms, obviously.

You can possess a gun or guns if you want to.

What if you have money you can’t go to the local gun shop and purchase one to protect yourself.

Comn get real.

Allan

Call_me_Ishmael · 2020-12-17T11:26:15.147Z

conan:

And ACLU needs victims to exist…even if they have to create em.

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And same with Democrats.

Mountain_Soldier · 2020-12-17T12:46:06.110Z

biggestal99:

Mountain_Soldier:

Except the right to keep and bear arms, obviously.

You can possess a gun or guns if you want to.

What if you have money you can’t go to the local gun shop and purchase one to protect yourself.

Comn get real.

Allan

So you’re telling me you’ve never been anti-gun?

Does that extend to Obamacare too? What if you can’t afford it? Oh yeah, the state will punish you even more.

State mandated and provided firearms… I could get behind that.

biggestal99 · 2020-12-17T13:13:22.434Z

Mountain_Soldier:

So you’re telling me you’ve never been anti-gun?

How long have you been on the forum.

States can and do regulate arms in a constitutional way.

Even here in jersey you can purchase arms.

Not anti-gun. Just pro states rights.

What’s right for jersey is not right for Texas and visa versa.

Allan

WuWei · 2020-12-17T14:38:41.692Z

Bear.

WuWei · 2020-12-17T14:39:19.002Z

biggestal99:

in a constitutional way.

Incorrect.

WuWei · 2020-12-17T14:42:46.528Z

biggestal99:

States can and do regulate arms in a constitutional way.

Even here in jersey you can purchase arms.

Not liberalism.

biggestal99 · 2020-12-17T14:56:38.082Z

WuWei:

Incorrect

Once again (if I can take such liberties), we will have to agree to disagree on the constitutionally of jersey guns laws.

Allan

WuWei · 2020-12-17T14:57:39.358Z

biggestal99:

WuWei:

Incorrect

Once again (if I can take such liberties), we will have to agree to disagree on the constitutionally of jersey guns laws.

Allan

Once again, motivated reasoning ignoring words.

WuWei · 2021-05-31T13:15:19.867Z

Eagle-Keeper:

Classic Liberalism isn’t about the social issues.

I don’t know that we can say that anymore.

WuWei · 2021-05-31T13:17:41.021Z

PurpnGold:

Protection of individuals…from other individuals… isn’t that social?

I might have missed this one. That’s an interesting and profound question.

We have agreed in the past that we have a right to be racist, no?

If so, why would you use government to protect an individual from an individual?

WuWei · 2021-05-31T13:18:24.405Z

Eagle-Keeper:

PurpnGold:

Eagle-Keeper:

See my response to Sneaky in Post 18. Classic Liberalism isn’t about the social issues.

Protection of individuals…from other individuals… isn’t that social?

I’m talking about the social issues of today, i.e. abortion, LGBTQ, etc. There’s nothing specifically about that in Classic Liberalism (from my link anyhow).

That’s true and why you have to apply principles, not details.

WuWei · 2021-05-31T13:19:52.396Z

biggestal99:

WuWei:

You are a Big Government Union Dem.

I am also A paying member of the ACLU. I support 100% the BLM movement.

You can’t pigeonhole me. Lol.

Allan

What does the “U” in “ACLU” stand for?

WuWei · 2021-05-31T13:20:38.077Z

WuWei:

You have no idea what BLM even is.

This one aged well, huh @biggestal99?

WuWei · 2021-05-31T13:21:22.727Z

biggestal99:

Of course I know what BLM movement is.

and this one.

WuWei · 2021-05-31T13:24:50.883Z

Impenitent:

WuWei:

Impenitent:

historically speaking, the promise of equality was a lie…

Unfulfilled. Now it is fulfilled.

How will the story continue?

it’s not, it never can be

the story, lies and promises, will continue to drip from the tongues of every politician

It was never equality of outcomes.

biggestal99 · 2021-05-31T13:27:31.586Z

WuWei:

What does the “U” in “ACLU” stand for?

Union.

And I am a dues paying member.

Allan