Agreed. Which is why these types of threads are so laughable/disturbing.
I didn’t say that. But there is far less conflict between capitalism and Scripture (mainly just usury) than between socialism and Scripture.
Frankly, my opinion of the Left is so low that I recognize that if old Ahab had taken Naboth’s field for a garden to feed the poor of Samaria rather than his own belly he would be a hero to many of them, because that’s what socialism is ultimately about.
Jesus gave away freebies.
Jesus was very pacifist, saying we should turn the other cheek on our enemies.
Jesus commanded that we leave all our earthly possessions behind to follow His Father’s teachings. Because wealth doesn’t follow us to heaven.
Jesus did not like usury (aka-lending with interest).
Jesus, and His Father, commanded that we treat others well and offer those in need our help.
I’m not certain I’d classify Jesus into a party, but many of the things that are COMMANDED-not ask or requested-wouldn’t align with your believe that he’d be a Republican, I don’t believe.
I don’t agree. The Bible directly states that it’s easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than it is for the rich to enter heaven.
Jesus’ teachings on wealth were quite clear. Jesus’ teachings on helping others, while holding back little for our own, are quite clear.
But Christ also COMMANDS us to give unto others, while keeping none for ourselves. Wealth does not follow us to heaven. The meek shall inherit the earth. Etc ,etc, etc.
One of the main premises of The Bible is doing for others and not ourselves.
Now, that’s not ACTUAL socialism, but that’s what a lot of Rs these days call socialism. And God commands it.
Counterpoint: He said you or I should give to others which would be out of our own means and also at our own discretion … not that’s you should take from me by way some proxy to give to others.
Or, for comparison, did I miss the part of the Law where a body of Levites was commissioned to go around with measuring rods to dictate how far harvesting towards the corners of the field was too far or to follow every group picking grapes/olives to make sure no one ever returned to get every last one?
You as an American are a rich man.
Think about that…
Doesn’t matter since it’s a command. If it’s a command, that means there will be a consequence for not doing it. On earth, that compulsion is government (via taxes). In this context, our eternal souls are at risk if we don’t obey the command to help others.
I think you missed the part where we are commanded to help those less fortune-not asked.
Wealth is regularly vilified in The Bible.
Again, the way socialism works Ahab taking Naboth’s field for a garden to feed Samaria’s poor would pass muster.
Socislism is not charity.
And it is trusting in wealth rather than in the Lord that is condemned. Not wealth.
I consider myself emotionally and spiritually fortunate. I am by no means monetarily rich, even by US standards.
Socialism requires compulsion. God commands compliance with His commands, lest you lose your eternal soul.
As an American unless you are destitute and on the streets you are rich.
You can argue the semantics of the term “rich” in today’s context, and whether it applies, but it’s not terribly relevant to the point being made, which is about amassing wealth instead of using it to help others.
Jesus’ views on wealth are VERY anti-capitalist.
Socialism also requires a worldly proxy to organize and compel the “giving”.
I’m not arguing that Jesus teachings fit socialism exactly. I simply don’t see how one can argue that there’s less conflict between capitalism/scripture and socialism/scripture. Just no way.
The teachings in the Bible are VERY anti-capitalist.
Hey, look up the woman who deserves praise. It isn’t entrepreneurialism that’s in any way the problem.
And in so far as capitalism depends on that, whereas socialism is equally opposed to it, you’ve not a leg to stand on.
Capitalism HAS abuses.
Socialism IS abuses.
Look up “a rich man is less likely to enter heaven than a camel is to be threaded through the eye of a needle.”
The Bible INCESSANTLY condemns wealth, and commands leaving that wealth behind to help others.
Those aren’t choices given. They’re commands. A central authority COMMANDS.
If you cannot separate condemning wrong attitudes about wealth, such as trusting in it, from merely having wealth it is no wonder you’ve curled up in the ideological cul-de-sac that is the Left.
Leviticus 19:9–10
The New Revised Standard Version
9 When you reap the harvest of your land, you shall not reap to the very edges of your field, or gather the gleanings of your harvest. 10 You shall not strip your vineyard bare, or gather the fallen grapes of your vineyard; you shall leave them for the poor and the alien: I am the Lord your God.
Translation- you WILL set aside a portion of YOUR land and its produce for the poor and the alien.
This was a command of the LORD.
1 Like
Ahh, the personal shot.
So not only are you not reading what I actually said, and instead read what you THOUGHT I said, but you’re now making it personal.
It’s really best to keep that claptrap out of religious discussions, for a lot of reasons, the least of which being it’s terribly unChrist-like.
This is where our back and forth ends. Can’t keep the personal crap out, there’s no discussion to be had.
1 Like
