What happened to the J6 tape release?

[tnt]

@Guvnah

@Jezcoe

When a President uses the power of the office in an attempt to overturn the result of the election that he knew that he had lost… what should we call that?

When a president actually does that, come back to me.

I’m not going to play in what-if games of unhinged lib narratives. You are not the jury that determines it.

We are not the jury, true enough. But would you agree that we can see enough evidence to realize the cases in GA and DC are warranted?

[Jezcoe]

@tnt

@Guvnah

@Jezcoe

When a President uses the power of the office in an attempt to overturn the result of the election that he knew that he had lost… what should we call that?

When a president actually does that, come back to me.

I’m not going to play in what-if games of unhinged lib narratives. You are not the jury that determines it.

We are not the jury, true enough. But would you agree that we can see enough evidence to realize the cases in GA and DC are warranted?

The idea that we just have to throw our hands up in the air and not make a personal judgement based on what is already known and have to rely on a jury to have our own opinions is very silly.

[Camp]

Biden surrogates are doing far far worse right now.

The 24 vote will reflect this.

[Jezcoe]

@Camp

Biden surrogates are doing far far worse right now.

The 25 vote will reflect this.

Is there any proof that this is being directed by the White House?

If there was… then I would agree that would be a problem.

[Camp]

So NOW you need proof.

Such lopsided nonsense.

[Jezcoe]

@Camp

So NOW you need proof.

Such lopsided nonsense.

There is proof that Trump used the power of the office… there are recordings and emails and tesitmony and such.

Is there even a hint that these current actions by the States are being directed by the White House?

[tnt]

And it’s incredibly hypocritical given all the judgements passed here hourly on Biden and other democrats.

[Camp]

That is not at all accurate.

Trump didn’t do anything more than challenge a very circumspect series of election rule revisions.

We see Biden can barely function so his surrogates must cheat and steal the vote in 2024.

What Biden is doing is orders of magnitude worse.

[Jezcoe]

@tnt

And it’s incredibly hypocritical given all the judgements passed here hourly on Biden and other democrats.

It’s like remember when we found out that the Trump White House was directly coordinating politcal messaging with Fox News Hosts?

That would cause apoplexy if we found out that Biden were doing such things.

[Publius]

@Munimula1

@SpadeMarlowe

@tnt

@Smyrna

I know the words “inside the capitol” are too tough for you to comprehend but…try again.

You’re so silly. Parsing, and parsing, and parsing, and parsing.

But again, neither violence nor destruction are required for an insurrection.

Here is destruction inside the capital. I assume you lacked the courae to click this link the first time:

https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/07/us/rioters-capitol-building-damage-photos-trnd/index.html

Here is violence inside the capital;

I can’t imagine why any mature adult would parse ‘violence’ on J6 to inside and outside. It’s idiotic.

What exactly quilifyes it for insurection?
“Down with USA”…?
“Blow up the WH”…?.. NO…that was used by Vagina Hats and they were not accused of insurection.
Then what?

The meaning of INSURRECTION is an act or instance of revolting against civil authority or an established government. The insurrectionists in this case were trying to obstruct the business of Congress.

Not just normal business of Congress, but the peaceful transfer of power.

[Jezcoe]

@Camp

Trump didn’t do anything more than challenge a very circumspect series of election rule revisions.

He did much more than that and we all know it. When all legal recourse was exhausted, Trump went on a crusade to overturn the election… and he did it knowing that he had lost.

He knew that he lost and he still tried a Hail Mary to remain in office.

What is the word for that?

[Camp]

Fiction.

Completely fictitious tale.

It’s not sticking.

[Jezcoe]

@Camp

Fiction.

Completely fictitious tale.

It’s not sticking.

What is fictional about it?

[SpadeMarlowe]

@Jezcoe

@Camp

Trump didn’t do anything more than challenge a very circumspect series of election rule revisions.

He did much more than that and we all know it. When all legal recourse was exhausted, Trump went on a crusade to overturn the election… and he did it knowing that he had lost.

He knew that he lost and he still tried a Hail Mary to remain in office.

What is the word for that?

Once again…you NEVER KNOW what’s in someone’s head and what they “KNEW”.
Ask any lawyer here. It doesn’t hold water in court.

[DougBH]

@Guvnah

I’ll buy the argument that J6 was an actual insurrection when the jury in an actual court case to define it as such decides it was an insurrection.

I’ll buy it when there are facts that prove it was an intended overthrow of the government or even that Trump intended those people to enter the capitol. Some decision by a DC jury where the pool is 95% Democrats? Wouldn’t be enough for me without the facts. Just look at how the Democrat posters in this forum buy off on anything the Dem media comes up with.

[DougBH]

@Jezcoe

When a President uses the power of the office in an attempt to overturn the result of the election that he knew that he had lost… what should we call that?

He made his case to Governors, judges and to Congress. They said no.
That is not the power of the Presidency. The power of the Presidency would have been to refuse to leave and order the military in. That is what an insurrection would have looked like.

[Jezcoe]

@SpadeMarlowe

@Jezcoe

@Camp

Trump didn’t do anything more than challenge a very circumspect series of election rule revisions.

He did much more than that and we all know it. When all legal recourse was exhausted, Trump went on a crusade to overturn the election… and he did it knowing that he had lost.

He knew that he lost and he still tried a Hail Mary to remain in office.

What is the word for that?

Once again…you NEVER KNOW what’s in someone’s head and what they “KNEW”.
Ask any lawyer here. It doesn’t hold water in court.

There is testimony from those who were there… including Mark Meadows… that he knew he had lost.

The entire apparatus of his own government was telling him that he had lost.

To excuse Trump on this notion that he didn’t actually believe that he had lost is just further infantilizing him and taking away any notion that he is responsible for the actions that he took to overturn the election was a simple “whoopsie doodle” and not what it was… a President using the office to attempt to overturn the election that he knew that he had lost.

[Jezcoe]

@DougBH

@Jezcoe

When a President uses the power of the office in an attempt to overturn the result of the election that he knew that he had lost… what should we call that?

He made his case to Governors, judges and to Congress. They said no.
That is not the power of the Presidency. The power of the Presidency would have been to refuse to leave and order the military in. That is what an insurrection would have looked like.

After legal recourse had been exhausted he tried the fake elector plan when he knew that he had lost the election.

What is the word for that?

[Camp]

Or in campaign rhetoric.

It’s all campaign rhetoric.

Notice how we never heard of how little it cost to repair the damage.

[DougBH]

@Jezcoe

After legal recourse had been exhausted he tried the fake elector plan when he knew that he had lost the election.

What is the word for that?

A political argument that was rejected by the political process. The last step is the certification by Congress. It is legitimate to make your argument there. And you dont even have to be President to have your argument rejected.