What good does it do to talk about race?

Piper · 2021-07-06T13:42:39.179Z

WuWei:

I disagree.

When free people serve, they are willing slaves.

Piper · 2021-07-06T13:46:04.082Z

Smyrna:

A servant is paid for their services where as a slave is not.

They perform the same duties.

WuWei · 2021-07-06T13:47:41.855Z

Piper:

WuWei:

I disagree.

When free people serve, they are willing slaves.

I disagree completely.

WuWei · 2021-07-06T13:47:57.751Z

Piper:

Smyrna:

A servant is paid for their services where as a slave is not.

They perform the same duties.

“Willing”

Smyrna · 2021-07-06T13:49:42.146Z

Piper:

They perform the same duties.

That may be but the point is, the pay and the pride in one’s work that’s involved in one and not the other.

Paul_Do · 2021-07-06T14:08:30.652Z

WuWei:

Paul_Do:

WuWei:

WuWei:

Out of all the characteristics a person has, race is the least interesting and least indicative of character or predictive of success in this country.

I’ll say it again.

Except that is demonstrably false,

Demonstrate it.

Pick a random black person and pick a random white person. The white person is 92% more likely to have a much larger net worth.

Average white net worth is over 900% higher than the average black persons

WuWei · 2021-07-06T14:10:03.089Z

Paul_Do:

WuWei:

Paul_Do:

WuWei:

WuWei:

Out of all the characteristics a person has, race is the least interesting and least indicative of character or predictive of success in this country.

I’ll say it again.

Except that is demonstrably false,

Demonstrate it.

Pick a random black person and pick a random white person. The white person is 92% more likely to have a much larger net worth.

Average white net worth is over 900% higher than the average black persons

Outcome. Only possible explanation is race. I choose JayZ and me.

Paul_Do · 2021-07-06T14:17:03.165Z

WuWei:

Paul_Do:

WuWei:

Paul_Do:

WuWei:

WuWei:

Out of all the characteristics a person has, race is the least interesting and least indicative of character or predictive of success in this country.

I’ll say it again.

Except that is demonstrably false,

Demonstrate it.

Pick a random black person and pick a random white person. The white person is 92% more likely to have a much larger net worth.

Average white net worth is over 900% higher than the average black persons

Outcome. Only possible explanation is race. I choose JayZ and me.

Do you know what random means?

Paul_Thomson · 2021-07-06T14:18:20.138Z

Paul_Do:

That is a terrible comparison

No one is forced to get an abortion rofl. If you want to volunteer to be a slave go for it just like if you want to volunteer to get an abortion. If abortions were forced you would have a point

Did the baby agree to get sliced up live, or pickled live, or to have its brain extracted at birth?

WuWei · 2021-07-06T14:19:10.623Z

Paul_Do:

WuWei:

Paul_Do:

WuWei:

Paul_Do:

WuWei:

WuWei:

Out of all the characteristics a person has, race is the least interesting and least indicative of character or predictive of success in this country.

I’ll say it again.

Except that is demonstrably false,

Demonstrate it.

Pick a random black person and pick a random white person. The white person is 92% more likely to have a much larger net worth.

Average white net worth is over 900% higher than the average black persons

Outcome. Only possible explanation is race. I choose JayZ and me.

Do you know what random means?

Yes, I picked two citizens out of 330M.

Piper · 2021-07-06T14:19:22.160Z

Smyrna:

That may be but the point is, the pay and the pride in one’s work that’s involved in one and not the other.

The Greek word is doulos - common for slave in history NT times.

The KJV translated doulos as servant instead of slave in some of their translations. They were trying to be sensitive but it has caused confusion.

Pride wasn’t a consideration in their translation.

Piper · 2021-07-06T14:24:08.812Z

WuWei:

I disagree completely.

This conversation started with a woman and an abortion because she didn’t want to be a slave to a baby.

People are willing slaves to their children, spouse and to God.

WuWei · 2021-07-06T14:26:11.611Z

I am neither slave nor servant to my child nor woman.

Smyrna · 2021-07-06T14:27:17.731Z

Piper:

The Greek word is doulos - common for slave in history NT times.

The KJV translated doulos as servant instead of slave in some of their translations. They were trying to be sensitive but it has caused confusion.

Pride wasn’t a consideration in their translation.

I’m not speaking of the Greek definition but explaining the relevance of the time and place each took place and how they were very different.

Piper · 2021-07-06T14:27:21.337Z

WuWei:

I am neither slave nor servant to my child nor woman.

Some people are.

WuWei · 2021-07-06T14:27:56.808Z

Piper:

WuWei:

I am neither slave nor servant to my child nor woman.

Some people are.

Then they’re doing it wrong.

Piper · 2021-07-06T14:28:14.759Z

Smyrna:

I’m not speaking of the Greek definition but explaining the relevance of the time and place each took place and how they were very different.

It’s the English language that I was using.

Smyrna · 2021-07-06T14:29:39.401Z

Piper:

It’s the English language that I was using.

It doesn’t matter…one is voluntary and one is not. One got paid and one did not. Two very different scenarios regardless of dictionary definitions.

Piper · 2021-07-06T14:29:50.170Z

WuWei:

Then they’re doing it wrong.

Ok. …

Piper · 2021-07-06T14:30:38.920Z

Smyrna:

It doesn’t matter…one is voluntary and one is not. One got paid and one did not. Two very different scenarios regardless of dictionary definitions.

Did the ‘slave’ get food, clothes and shelter?