What good does it do to talk about race?

[Samm]

@Dem

@Samm

We mostly read about the brutality because it’s human nature to record and talk about extremes. (If it bleeds it leads) But slaves were very expensive for most people. They could not afford to not care for them.

Very rare exceptions. Even well cared for slaves were still given various degrees of punishment. Whippings, beatings, shackling, branding, rape etc.

The punishments where done in such a way that they would be able to still perform, but punishment was still brutal.

Again, we all know it was common to punish slaves, but we cannot say that decent treatment was rare. People don’t normally write about good things that occurred within the context of a great evil.

[Samm]

@PurpnGold

@Samm

Eventually, yes he would have. If the South had simply declared independence (like the American Colonies did with England) he would have had no other way to restore and preserve the Union. … just as England did.

No need for me to provide a Lincoln quote, you have already done so.

That is unequivocally false.

At no point in Lincoln’s history can you show that he wanted a war with the south. He derided the Mexican war, for example.

Of course he did not want war. But Lincoln was very clear that the Union must be preserved “at all costs.” War is most definitely on the table of “all costs.”

[Samm]

@PurpnGold

@Samm

We mostly read about the brutality because it’s human nature to record and talk about extremes. (If it bleeds it leads) But slaves were very expensive for most people. They could not afford to not care for them.

So you can just assume out of thin air… that some slaves were treated “well”

Define “well”

If you are using the high cost of slaves, as a justification that some slaves were not treated badly… you’ve already lost.

Sure, why not? You have assumed they were all treated horribly.

[PurpnGold]

@Samm

Again, we all know it was common to punish slaves, but we cannot say that decent treatment was rare. People don’t normally write about good things that occurred within the context of a great evil.

Bruh they were in captivity and considered property… they had no freedom. Even if a slave was never touched by the owner… they were property. They could not leave.

This doesn’t even mention the national slave trade that exploded after the transatlantic slave trade was banned.

This is literally the dumbest position I’ve seen you take.

[PurpnGold]

@Samm

Of course he did not want war. But Lincoln was very clear that the Union must be preserved “at all costs.” War is most definitely on the table of “all costs.”

And he wouldn’t have done if it he wasn’t provoked.

[Dem]

Similar to my state. I remember two weeks up to the tests, time being devoted on a daily basis to practice tests, and test taking strategies. The anxiety it caused in kids was crazy. I still hate standardized tests, and think they should go.

[Samm]

@PurpnGold

@Samm

Again, we all know it was common to punish slaves, but we cannot say that decent treatment was rare. People don’t normally write about good things that occurred within the context of a great evil.

Bruh they were in captivity and considered property… they had no freedom. Even if a slave was never touched by the owner… they were property. They could not leave.

This doesn’t even mention the national slave trade that exploded after the transatlantic slave trade was banned.

This is literally the dumbest position I’ve seen you take.

What position? I very clearly acknowledged the deprivation of freedom, free will and no pay for their labor. But other than those obvious injustices, the daily living conditions for most were not significantly different from that of most poor people in America and the world. As I said, they were expensive; too valuable to most slave owners to not be cared for.

[Samm]

@PurpnGold

@Samm

Of course he did not want war. But Lincoln was very clear that the Union must be preserved “at all costs.” War is most definitely on the table of “all costs.”

And he wouldn’t have done if it he wasn’t provoked.

If you take him at his word (“at all costs”) he most certainly would have. He believed preservation of the Union was his “sacred duty”. There would have been no other way to preserve the Union.

[PurpnGold]

@Samm

If you take him at his word (“at all costs”) he most certainly would have. He believed preservation of the Union was his “sacred duty”. There would have been no other way to preserve the Union.

Do you know the definition of “provoked”?

Attacking or secession is a provocation.

[PurpnGold]

@Samm

What position? I very clearly acknowledged the deprivation of freedom, free will and no pay for their labor. But other than those obvious injustices, the daily living conditions for most were not significantly different from that of most poor people in America and the world. As I said, they were expensive; too valuable to most slave owners to not be cared for.

They
Were
Not
Free

@Samm

It’s also propaganda to teach that no slaves were treated well.

That’s your take. Even if a single finger was not laid on a single slave… they were tradable property. They had no rights or freedoms.

Even if a white family had the same exact living quarters as a slave… they were free. Period.

[Dem]

@Samm

the daily living conditions for most were not significantly different from that of most poor people in America and the world.

Yeah, no.

Most poor people in America at the time did not have to contend, with a daily threat of physical punishment. Most people in America, did not have their children taken and sold. Most people in America were not forcibly bred and raped, in order to create new slaves.

There is no comparison.

Just because a slave was expensive, doesn’t mean they weren’t beaten into submission.

[WuWei]

@Dem

Reality decides whats accurate.

Whose reality?

@Dem

Too complicated of a question for grade school. That is debate better left for higher academia.

Nonsense

[WuWei]

@Samm

It’s also propaganda to teach that no slaves were treated well.

Oh no. No, no, no.

[WuWei]

@TheRedComet

Of course. Truth is in the eye of the beholder.

But it is pretty well documented that slaves were treated pretty poorly as the rule. The exception was good treatment. And that “good” treatment was mostly confined to house slaves.

Field slaves got treated like… well like field slaves. Which was about the worst treatment you could get at that time period.

Many of the slaves who became freedmen talked pretty openly about their experiences and what they saw.

There is no “good treatment” when one’s freedom is taken.

[WuWei]

@PurpnGold

secession is a provocation

Mmmmmmm

[Paul_Do]

@Samm

@Paul_Do

@WuWei

What reality? That you feel you can judge net worth by skin color alone? That’s not reality, it’s racism.

Yup, I can and I’d be correct the vast majority of the time.

That you think that is a good example of racism.

That you somehow disagree with a totally indisputable fact is a great example of why America is falling behind the rest of the developed world.

This is like elementary school statistics

[JayJay]

My dream scenario is we adopt Finland’s holistic teaching practices where learning is embedded in real world experience.

Essentially we are still mostly teaching kids in a way that assumes they’ll be good factory worker cogs or farmers.

My realism lets me know that’s a dream world.

[Paul_Do]

@Samm

@PurpnGold

@Samm

It’s also propaganda to teach that no slaves were treated well.

Are you serious?

Not in the least. Teaching that all slaves were treated horribly is just not true, its propaganda.

Not only are you arguing that Aknowledging the effects of systemic racism has on a society is racist but that saying that slaves had it bad is propaganda?

The fact you are a ■■■■■■■ slave is horrible enough, their entire life is controlled there is no freedom.

How do you even end up here🤣

[WuWei]

@JayJay

where learning is embedded in real world experience.

Like CRT?

[Paul_Do]

@Samm

@PurpnGold

@Samm

Not in the least. Teaching that all slaves were treated horribly is just not true, its propaganda.

How do you know it is not true? Did slave owners tell you this?

What makes you think being held in captivity, as property, makes slaves happy?

How do you know its true? Did a slave tell you this?

Where did I use the word “happy”?

If you are not allowed freedom of self agency you are being treated horribly.

And stripping that is what makes a slave a slave.