What does the UK election say about 2020 in the US?

The recent UK elections were a stunning victory for the Conservative Party and Prime Minister Boris Johnson. The election results were a clear repudiation of the Labor Party and efforts to reverse the Brexit vote from 2016.

Some US commentators are drawing parallels with politics in the US. Here is one analysis that claims that the UK election should serve as a warning to Democrats about the possible outcome of the 2020 elections:

There are certainly parallels between the US Democratic Party and the UK Labour Party. Democrat presidential candidates seem to be in a competition about who is farther to the left and more socialist.

At the same time, Democrats in congress are moving forward with impeachment articles against President Trump in an effort to reverse the results of the 2016 elections. That effort certainly parallels the efforts in the UK parliament to reverse the 2016 Brexit vote.

In both the UK and the US, the most of the media and big-city elites have belittled the voters who gave the unexpected election results of 2016. The media and elites have done everything they can to reverse the results even if it means peddling falsehoods and scare tactics.

Personally I agree that the UK election is a warning to US Democrats. Efforts to reverse the results of free and fair elections are likely to provoke a backlash if voters believe they are being ignored or lied to.

Do you agree that the UK elections are a warning to Democrats?

Or are the politics of the UK fundamentally different from those in the US?

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The UK election was about Brexit. There is no Brexit in the US.

The Brexit vote itself was a harbinger of 2016 in my opinion so it is possible this vote is a harbinger of what will happen in 2020.

Personally I am expecting Trump to win re-election in 2020 simply because none of the Dem candidates so far seems to have the oomph to take on Trump the way he needs to be taken on.

And they still seem to be mistaking dislike of Trump as implicit endorsement of going farther to the left.

But still far too early yet to tell. There’s still too many Dem candidates in the field to make any predictions that aren’t lost in the noise.

And lots can happen between now and November 2020.

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It does remind me a lot of 2012

The UK is so ate up, they’ve had their umpteenth election in as many years. It’s like one big human caterpillar over there. lol

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As @highroller said this election was about one issue and that is Brexit.

There is zero correlation between this election and 2020 in the US.

Labour strongholds “lent” the Tories their vote and Boris Johnson even conceded that using the same term.

These are not communities that have rejected Labour but they have rejected Corbyns labour because Labour policy is on Brexit is at odds with many of labours strongholds.

In the 80s the Labour party looked finished then in 1997 they swept to power and the Tories looked finished. Its all part of the political cycle.

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They are some parallels it would seem in terms of the working class areas going to conservatives. Of course the right and left wing are different there. The biggest thing I would take from it is populism is still strong and globalism as well as the desire for it has been weakened big time.

The 2017 UK election left things very ambiguous. The 2018 election in the US was likewise ambiguous with Democrats winning a majority in the House, but Republicans increasing their majority in the Senate.

This week’s election is give the Conservatives a commanding majority, and Johnson has pledged follow through with Brexit on January 31. The 2020 US election is likely to move in a similar direction if the Democrats continue to move to the far left and continue to push impeachment.

Yep, Mother Britain still hasn’t convinced her peasants that they don’t rule their own lives and have no say in their country. :wink:

I think the 2018 midterms and recent gubernatorial elections in Kentucky and Louisiana are better indicators of 2020.

The Senate as it currently stands is biased towards the GOP because the numbers of Senators are not correlated to proportional representation.

Think of all those small conservative leaning states in the west that combined have less population than California and New York combined, yet CA and NY only get a total of four senators and all these conservative leaning states get double digit numbers of Senators.

I’m not making a value judgement on this…simply pointing out that the fact the Senate stayed GOP doesn’t mean 2018 was “ambiguous”.

In fact, one could actually make a case that the Senate having as many Dems as it does says something about Dem strength in the country.

UK does have a Queen.

Trump wants to be King.

I can see the parallels.

I don’t believe impeachment by Congress against President Trump is an effort to reverse the results of the 2016 elections.

I believe that Trump has about a 60% chance of winning re-election next year. The economy is still basically in good condition and Trump will likely have an Electoral College advantage again.

The only ones that have “say” in this country are the wealthy and well connected.

The wealthy and corps went all in once Trump was the nominee.

Our democratic republic is broken…

Thank you SCOTUS, for 3 horrendous decisions.

Oh man, sucks to be you. lol

So you realize in this country that the laws that get passed have zero correlation to how the public at large supports those laws, but have a strong correlation to how the wealthy and their lobbyists feel about them?

So I wouldn’t be looking down my nose at anyone if I was you.

I’ve been hearing from both sides of the isle this morning about how they the people have zero ability to amend their State constitution. Since this is not a one-size-fits-all nation, they have my pity the same as the UK peasants.

Some States are less of a â– â– â– â–  hole than others. It scales. :man_shrugging:

This wasn’t even close to an answer to my post.

If you believe you have influence over your government, in any state, you are deluding yourself.

Or you speak from a small stature point of view. Either way, it’s merely your personal opinion. :wink:

It’s not personal opinion.

It’s fact and data based.