What does civilian oversight mean?

conan · 2021-09-15T19:06:46.668Z

Constitution doesn’t mean what libs think it means.

Orygun · 2021-09-15T19:06:47.156Z

WuWei:

What on earth?

Think it through.

WuWei · 2021-09-15T19:07:45.205Z

Orygun:

WuWei:

What on earth?

Think it through.

Done. My crazy has limits.

WuWei · 2021-09-15T19:08:01.463Z

conan:

Constitution doesn’t mean what libs think it means.

No where close.

Orygun · 2021-09-15T19:09:17.151Z

WuWei:

Done. My crazy has limits.

It’s good to review the Constitution from time to time. I recommend Article I section 8.

DougBH · 2021-09-15T19:12:36.518Z

conan:

Well it seems they’re admitting it.

A spokesperson for Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. Mark Milley is defending allegations of “secret” calls with his Chinese counterpart, saying the conversations are “vital” to “reducing tensions” and “avoiding unintended consequences or conflict,” maintaining that the calls were coordinated with high-level defense officials.

“The Chairman of the Joint Chiefs regularly communicates with Chiefs of Defense across the world, including with China and Russia. These conversations remain vital to improving mutual understanding of U.S. national security interests, reducing tensions, providing clarity and avoiding unintended consequences or conflict,” Milley spokesman Col. Dave Butler said in a statement Wednesday.

Milley spokesman defends calls with China as 'vital' to 'avoiding unintended consequences or conflict' | Fox News

And it goes on to say it was all coordinated among the staff.

From that article, it may be that Woodward was hyping the conversation to sell his new book. There is the part about saying that Miley would tell the Chinese if an attack was imminent. But that is different than telling the Chinese that an attack was imminent. Miley would have known that there was no such attack planned and his words would have been meaningless.
My guess is that is how this will turn out after being investigated…a tool to sell a book.

WuWei · 2021-09-15T19:23:46.862Z

Orygun:

WuWei:

Done. My crazy has limits.

It’s good to review the Constitution from time to time. I recommend Article I section 8.

I agree. Done. Article I is congress. Not the C-JCS. What clause are you looking at that requires us to give prior notice to a target before an attack?

Orygun · 2021-09-15T19:26:55.834Z

WuWei:

What clause are you looking at that requires us to give prior notice to a target before an attack?

That “clause” would be a Congressional declaration of war.

zantax · 2021-09-15T19:28:10.442Z

Well, just watched Psaki defend it, because Trump was “fomenting insurrection” which means he was crazy, some defense and intel people agreed.

If that is the case, why hasn’t he been charged with insurrection?

WuWei · 2021-09-15T19:28:24.903Z

Orygun:

WuWei:

What clause are you looking at that requires us to give prior notice to a target before an attack?

That “clause” would be a Congressional declaration of war.

You feel that requires prior notice to the target?

zantax · 2021-09-15T19:29:26.022Z

Orygun:

WuWei:

What clause are you looking at that requires us to give prior notice to a target before an attack?

That “clause” would be a Congressional declaration of war.

Sure, we will just convene congress if they happen to be out of session and declare war if we see ICBM’s headed our way.

WuWei · 2021-09-15T19:29:46.159Z

DougBH:

From that article, it may be that Woodward was hyping the conversation to sell his new book. There is the part about saying that Miley would tell the Chinese if an attack was imminent. But that is different than telling the Chinese that an attack was imminent. Miley would have known that there was no such attack planned and his words would have been meaningless.
My guess is that is how this will turn out after being investigated…a tool to sell a book.

I disagree. Milley did it and he did it because he/they felt they needed to stop Trump from destroying the world.

Orygun · 2021-09-15T19:30:01.336Z

zantax:

Well, just watched Psaki defend it, because Trump was “fomenting insurrection” which means he was crazy, some defense and intel people agreed.

If the Chinese were truly worried about a preemptive nuclear strike by Trump- what do you think they thought of his mental health?

WuWei · 2021-09-15T19:30:43.639Z

That’s exactly it. The “smarter” bureaucrats had to do it.

Orygun · 2021-09-15T19:31:07.418Z

WuWei:

I disagree. Milley did it and he did it because he/they felt they needed to stop Trump from destroying the world.

Or…they wanted to cool the temperature and assure the Chinese to avoid any escalating conflict.

WuWei · 2021-09-15T19:31:43.319Z

Orygun:

WuWei:

I disagree. Milley did it and he did it because he/they felt they needed to stop Trump from destroying the world.

Or…they wanted to cool the temperature and assure the Chinese to avoid any escalating conflict.

That’s not his decision to make with the Chinese.

Orygun · 2021-09-15T19:32:37.357Z

zantax:

Sure, we will just convene congress if they happen to be out of session and declare war if we see ICBM’s headed our way.

The Chinese were worried about a preemptive unilateral strike.

Orygun · 2021-09-15T19:33:38.348Z

WuWei:

That’s not his decision to make with the Chinese.

Dude this happens all the time.

Hey I see a submarine in waters near us. Why are you there?

Standard military exercise. We aren’t attacking.

zantax · 2021-09-15T19:34:13.226Z

Orygun:

WuWei:

That’s not his decision to make with the Chinese.

Dude this happens all the time.

Hey I see a submarine in waters near us. Why are you there?

Standard military exercise. We aren’t attacking.

Laughable.

Orygun · 2021-09-15T19:34:30.184Z

WuWei:

That’s not his decision to make with the Chinese.

And again- is this what you want?

“Hey you guys planning a unilateral nuke strike? “

“We aren’t saying…maybe. You’ll just have to be on your toes.”