What do you view as the reasons why the public masks mandates were ostensibly not very effective?

Ben_Natuf · 2022-01-23T18:01:13.689Z

master fauci does not approve. he is science

thinkingman · 2022-01-23T18:10:45.188Z

Ben_Natuf:

master fauci does not approve. he is science

he was in agreement until he realized he could become a celebrity

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Call_me_Ishmael · 2022-01-23T18:13:22.268Z

Eagle-Keeper:

What conclusions do you think can be drawn?

My conclusion takes into account not only what you mentioned but what I see and read.

My conclusion is: I will decide for myself what gives me and mine the best quality of life… balancing safety with freedom.

Call_me_Ishmael · 2022-01-23T18:15:41.569Z

Smyrna:

SixFoot:

Oddly enough, if everyone would just act like me, there’d be peace and prosperity throughout the solar system.

I can’t. I’m only 5’10".

Wait till you start to shrink.

Konssurvative1 · 2022-01-23T19:02:43.095Z

Not that I disagree. You make a beautiful point.

SixFoot · 2022-01-23T19:20:28.269Z

We’d probably even have holodecks.

Konssurvative1 · 2022-01-23T21:10:12.061Z

If only…

Cratic3947 · 2022-01-24T16:55:47.711Z

I’m sure the 97% of American indians that died from the introduction of European diseases to North America wold not have died, if they just had wore masks. Too Bad they didn’t have a Fauci.

Remember how those giant beak masks saved Europe from the black plague? Oh, wait. Never mind!

floydefisher · 2022-01-27T17:48:33.514Z

I beg to differ.

The real reason, is because most of the masks out there were basically no better than wearing no mask at all.

Recent CDC studies revealed unless you’re wearing an N95, or KN95 mask, it isn’t very effective. Most of them took like 20 minutes to pass covid from one person to the next (might as well wear a bag over your head for all the good that is doing).

I have to laugh at myself for believing that bandana I wore most of the pandemic was doing anything at all!

Cratic3947 · 2022-01-27T17:54:37.985Z

floydefisher:

I beg to differ.

The real reason, is because most of the masks out there were basically no better than wearing no mask at all.

Recent CDC studies revealed unless you’re wearing an N95, or KN95 mask, it isn’t very effective. Most of them took like 20 minutes to pass covid from one person to the next (might as well wear a bag over your head for all the good that is doing).

I have to laugh at myself for believing that bandana I wore most of the pandemic was doing anything at all!

They would strap cats to their feet, if the govt told them it made them safer… Anyone with common sense knew paper and cloth masks were silly. Just like Russian collusion, or the virus coming out of a wet market ( Very racists by the way). You can fool some of the people all the time because they want to be lied too…I guess.

JayJay · 2022-01-27T17:57:01.854Z

Eagle-Keeper:

Let me first clarify that I use the word ostensibly since one could make the argument that had it not been for the mask mandates things would have been much worse. Nonetheless here’s the reality, I’ve looked at the figures state by state and the US as a whole, prior to the vaccine case counts were skyrocketing across the US. Then as the vaccine made its way into people’s arms only then did the case counts drop and did so precipitously.

Analysis - the vaccine was substantially more effective than masks. I would assume none will debate that conclusion.

Regarding the masks let me state the following. From what I have studied masks can be an effective means to prevent the spread of a virus. In particularly a new, properly fitted and worn N95 mask. So let me be clear that this is not an argument that masks do nothing. Some of the studies and data I found on certain masks had their efficacy around 90% or higher. That’s just as good or better than the vaccines. Clearly though when looking at the charts, the practice of wearing masks was nowhere close to the effectiveness of the vaccines.

What conclusions do you think can be drawn?

Masks rely on more individual operators’ behaviors than vaccines do for their effectiveness to be as well seen. Mainly because vaccines drastically cut down (or did before variants) on one odds of getting infected whether exposed or not. Even now, vaxxed and boosted is almost as effective at infection prevention against Omicron as doubly vaxxed was against prior variants.

That’s the simplest explanation.

thinkingman · 2022-01-27T17:57:23.215Z

floydefisher:

I beg to differ.

The real reason, is because most of the masks out there were basically no better than wearing no mask at all.

Recent CDC studies revealed unless you’re wearing an N95, or KN95 mask, it isn’t very effective. Most of them took like 20 minutes to pass covid from one person to the next (might as well wear a bag over your head for all the good that is doing).

I have to laugh at myself for believing that bandana I wore most of the pandemic was doing anything at all!

at least now you are aware that you were ■■■■■■■■■■■ and lied to, and now know the “actual” science and not fauci’s scientism

Roxiebelle · 2022-01-27T21:18:37.024Z

Eagle-Keeper:

What conclusions do you think can be drawn?

The paper masks available to the public don’t work, the decorative & idioic accessory masks don’t work, it’s a simple conclusion!

FloridaYankee · 2022-01-29T20:41:04.735Z

Camp:

No. They didn’t work because they are not the right tool for the task.

From day 1 it was known that only N95 would help IF IF IF worn correctly.

You are wrong and have been for over 2 years.

KN95 is the ONLY type of mask I have worn in this thing and I have no idea why people would wear anything else now that they are widely available. Cloth masks are a sick joke.

thinkingman · 2022-01-29T21:34:33.255Z

FloridaYankee:

Camp:

No. They didn’t work because they are not the right tool for the task.

From day 1 it was known that only N95 would help IF IF IF worn correctly.

You are wrong and have been for over 2 years.

KN95 is the ONLY type of mask I have worn in this thing and I have no idea why people would wear anything else now that they are widely available. Cloth masks are a sick joke.

i didnt wear any mask (unless forced) because i knew i was aware the virus is safe

but then i’m a healthy person not advanced in age.

Camp · 2022-01-29T21:38:18.001Z

The superiority of the N95 was downplayed by public health officials until last month.

That was rather unethical.

FloridaYankee · 2022-01-29T21:38:35.822Z

thinkingman:

FloridaYankee:

Camp:

No. They didn’t work because they are not the right tool for the task.

From day 1 it was known that only N95 would help IF IF IF worn correctly.

You are wrong and have been for over 2 years.

KN95 is the ONLY type of mask I have worn in this thing and I have no idea why people would wear anything else now that they are widely available. Cloth masks are a sick joke.

i didnt wear any mask (unless forced) because i knew i was aware the virus is safe

but then i’m a healthy person not advanced in age.

I have kidney damage from a (misdiagnosed) tick borne disease called ehrlichiosis.

thinkingman · 2022-01-29T21:43:56.025Z

it makes sense to take all precautions

Call_me_Ishmael · 2022-01-29T22:16:30.549Z

Reason?
Half the population is below average intelligence. And the further up you go on the right side of the IQ curve, the less those people can - or are willing to - communicate effectively with those in the middle and left hand side of the curve. It was barely tested if at all when they were working their way up the ladder of being “an authority”.

There is nothing to learn. Every new situation will experience the same mistrust and inability to communicate and lead the large body of independently minded smart or dumb people. It’s one reason that centralized decision making- political, medical, social, economic, etc - in a massive country is a bad thing. And the reliance on MSM as centralized news is equally dangerous. If each state had used their own experts independently, winning solutions would have been obvious and losing solutions would have been obvious. Then cities could have compared notes and identified winning solutions for cities. Likewise for rural areas, hot areas, cold areas, regions of high traveler volume etc.

No… as a society … there is nothing that will be learned.

Ben_Natuf · 2022-03-22T11:03:07.043Z

JayJay:

Even now, vaxxed and boosted is almost as effective at infection prevention against Omicron as doubly vaxxed was against prior variants.

that of course depends on what you mean by effective and how you measure it.