What do you view as the reasons why the public masks mandates were ostensibly not very effective?

Camp · 2022-01-23T13:26:01.486Z

In surgery you are guarding against bacteria…completely different protocols.

thinkingman · 2022-01-23T13:32:25.517Z

Camp:

In surgery you are guarding against bacteria…completely different protocols.

right! and macro particles

Toll_Collector · 2022-01-23T14:20:50.729Z

Konssurvative1:

Masking would work if everyone did it. But they don’t because not everyone cooperated.

https://www.pnas.org/content/118/4/e2014564118

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2776536

Just a couple of citations that show what could have been if people cooperated with masking from the get go.

Stop with this crap already. If you visit someone with Covid in the hospital you can’t go in there with your mask. They take it and give you an N95 mask, shield, gloves, and a plastic gown. You’re waterproof! To think if everyone wore their cotton shirt over their face would prevent covid is idiotic. Yet it persists.

thinkingman · 2022-01-23T14:27:23.236Z

i’ll say it again the authoritarian left loves the mask because they finally get a conspicuous sign of compliance to their whims.

their mental pathology needs that

Cratic3947 · 2022-01-23T15:09:44.505Z

because you catch a virus by touching something or someone who has it then touching your eye or mouth , And catching a virus with a cloth mask is like trying to catch a fly with a large fishing net…

SixFoot · 2022-01-23T15:11:43.434Z

Konssurvative1:

Masking would work if everyone did it.

Oddly enough, if everyone would just act like me, there’d be peace and prosperity throughout the solar system.

thinkingman · 2022-01-23T15:39:16.706Z

“there are still people not complying to my will! Aargh!”

—the left

Smyrna · 2022-01-23T15:40:26.375Z

SixFoot:

Oddly enough, if everyone would just act like me, there’d be peace and prosperity throughout the solar system.

I can’t. I’m only 5’10".

thinkingman · 2022-01-23T16:12:27.398Z

here are many studies that show masks are crap. not that this already isnt obvious

LifeSite – 23 Jul 21

47 studies confirm ineffectiveness of masks for COVID and 32 more confirm...

Young children being forced to wear masks is of particular concern.

Ben_Natuf · 2022-01-23T18:01:13.689Z

master fauci does not approve. he is science

thinkingman · 2022-01-23T18:10:45.188Z

Ben_Natuf:

master fauci does not approve. he is science

he was in agreement until he realized he could become a celebrity

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Call_me_Ishmael · 2022-01-23T18:13:22.268Z

Eagle-Keeper:

What conclusions do you think can be drawn?

My conclusion takes into account not only what you mentioned but what I see and read.

My conclusion is: I will decide for myself what gives me and mine the best quality of life… balancing safety with freedom.

Call_me_Ishmael · 2022-01-23T18:15:41.569Z

Smyrna:

SixFoot:

Oddly enough, if everyone would just act like me, there’d be peace and prosperity throughout the solar system.

I can’t. I’m only 5’10".

Wait till you start to shrink.

Konssurvative1 · 2022-01-23T19:02:43.095Z

Not that I disagree. You make a beautiful point.

SixFoot · 2022-01-23T19:20:28.269Z

We’d probably even have holodecks.

Konssurvative1 · 2022-01-23T21:10:12.061Z

If only…

Cratic3947 · 2022-01-24T16:55:47.711Z

I’m sure the 97% of American indians that died from the introduction of European diseases to North America wold not have died, if they just had wore masks. Too Bad they didn’t have a Fauci.

Remember how those giant beak masks saved Europe from the black plague? Oh, wait. Never mind!

floydefisher · 2022-01-27T17:48:33.514Z

I beg to differ.

The real reason, is because most of the masks out there were basically no better than wearing no mask at all.

Recent CDC studies revealed unless you’re wearing an N95, or KN95 mask, it isn’t very effective. Most of them took like 20 minutes to pass covid from one person to the next (might as well wear a bag over your head for all the good that is doing).

I have to laugh at myself for believing that bandana I wore most of the pandemic was doing anything at all!

Cratic3947 · 2022-01-27T17:54:37.985Z

floydefisher:

I beg to differ.

The real reason, is because most of the masks out there were basically no better than wearing no mask at all.

Recent CDC studies revealed unless you’re wearing an N95, or KN95 mask, it isn’t very effective. Most of them took like 20 minutes to pass covid from one person to the next (might as well wear a bag over your head for all the good that is doing).

I have to laugh at myself for believing that bandana I wore most of the pandemic was doing anything at all!

They would strap cats to their feet, if the govt told them it made them safer… Anyone with common sense knew paper and cloth masks were silly. Just like Russian collusion, or the virus coming out of a wet market ( Very racists by the way). You can fool some of the people all the time because they want to be lied too…I guess.

JayJay · 2022-01-27T17:57:01.854Z

Eagle-Keeper:

Let me first clarify that I use the word ostensibly since one could make the argument that had it not been for the mask mandates things would have been much worse. Nonetheless here’s the reality, I’ve looked at the figures state by state and the US as a whole, prior to the vaccine case counts were skyrocketing across the US. Then as the vaccine made its way into people’s arms only then did the case counts drop and did so precipitously.

Analysis - the vaccine was substantially more effective than masks. I would assume none will debate that conclusion.

Regarding the masks let me state the following. From what I have studied masks can be an effective means to prevent the spread of a virus. In particularly a new, properly fitted and worn N95 mask. So let me be clear that this is not an argument that masks do nothing. Some of the studies and data I found on certain masks had their efficacy around 90% or higher. That’s just as good or better than the vaccines. Clearly though when looking at the charts, the practice of wearing masks was nowhere close to the effectiveness of the vaccines.

What conclusions do you think can be drawn?

Masks rely on more individual operators’ behaviors than vaccines do for their effectiveness to be as well seen. Mainly because vaccines drastically cut down (or did before variants) on one odds of getting infected whether exposed or not. Even now, vaxxed and boosted is almost as effective at infection prevention against Omicron as doubly vaxxed was against prior variants.

That’s the simplest explanation.