But that’s not “fair” is the refrain you hear. There is a very distinct reason for each and every branch and member of each branch.

The education system has let this country down.

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Most of those states were not yet part of the country when the EC was adopted.

And because the job requirements are different, the method of selection was designed to be different.

You can add the judiciary into that as well.

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Matters not a whit. It was part of the Constitution they signed on to.

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So? Doesn’t change a thing.

Great. More people telling me what I think:

You want to elect every office like they are all the same.

No. I never said that or implied it. Let’s do this again:

The OP writes:

The talk in another post about figuring out ways to eliminate the electoral college means only one thing: the country should be ran according to the whims and values of city dwellers, and to hell with those who live in flyover country.

But it doesn’t mean that thing. The OP just claims that it means that. We are talking about the electoral college and the problems with it. I wrote:

The electoral college warps the voting process in such a way that (to take one example) one vote in Wyoming counts more than three votes in California. I don’t think people in Wyoming are superior to people in California, or vice versa. But if it’s terrible for Californians and New Yorkers to run the country according to their whims, why doesn’t the same principle apply to the problem of Montanans and Idahoans, with their disproportionate representative political power, running the country according to their whims—especially when most people don’t live in rural areas? It’s not unreasonable to find that unfair and a little ridiculous. How can you not see that, whether you agree or not that the system should be changed?

What do you dispute there? Again, why is it bad for New Yorkers and Californians to (in the words of the OP) to run the country according to their “whims and values” (since, according to the OP, that’s what the electoral college prevents), but it’s fine for Idahoans and Montanans to exercise out-sized political representation to impose their “whims and values,” especially when most actual citizens live elsewhere?

Even if you like the electoral college, you have to concede that we have a point re: the relative value of individual votes. And if you’re just going to shrug your shoulders and say, Too bad, I guess that’s fine, too. But what disparity between electoral college vote and popular vote do you think it will take before a majority of unrepresented Americans say, ■■■■ minority rule? I have no desire to find out.

Also, you were pretty quick to give me ■■■■ about Godwin, or whatever, when I made perfectly reasonable historical connections, but are totally fine with (didn’t even notice?) the OP’s half-assed comparisons of the American left to purveyors of genocide in the Soviet Union. No worries: I know you won’t delete it. But you’re not fooling anyone.

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I dispute and reject the entire complaint. But then I understand government.

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Only Nazis and Hitler are addressed in the TOS. I didn’t delete yours either. I do hold you to a higher standard though, because of your superiority. Godwin’s Law doesn’t address the Soviet Union.

If you wish to discuss the management of this forum, I suggest you do so in the proper venue.

Re: Electoral College

What is the difference between a vote for Trump in CA vs a vote for Trump in OK?

Maybe you can answer since your brethren are struggling with an answer.

We aren’t struggling, we just know it will be useless to try and explain it to someone who refuses to see.

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Nothing.

Wasn’t hard for Sneaky to answer…and he got the right answer too!

There is no difference, so this argument that CA will rule over OK is false.

Now.

Not then.

Wrong

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Elaborate

untitled

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Wow, his statement is equivalent to “the Earth is flat”

My statement?

Difference is you think you elect the president.
Fact is your vote only matters in your state.
Fact is your state votes for president not you.

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Succinct. :smile: