What constitutes a "lawful" order from police?

[WuWei]

@STODR

That is pretty naive. Can they demand to search your house or car without a warrant? Can they search your person for drugs just because they saw you on the street?

Yes. And do.

[WuWei]

@TheRedComet

@Supreme_War_Pig

A hypothetical: a home alarm has gone off summoning the police, who see a person running down the street several houses away from the burgled house? Suspicious enough?

Nope. Not enough evidence.

Do they need “evidence”?

[WuWei]

@Supreme_War_Pig

holding a bag with a dollar sign on the side

[STODR]

Legally?

[WuWei]

@STODR

Legally?

They use reasonable suspicion to get probable cause. Every see them run a drug dog around the outside of a car. Once the dog “alerts”, they’ll dismantle the car.

The handlers are cueing the dogs.

[WuWei]

@STODR

Legally?

Most of it. The laws need to be changed. Most of this crap is War on Drugs stuff.

There’s always some crisis.

[WuWei]

@TheRedComet

@Roxiebelle

I’d say any order given by the police while they are on official duty.

Holy broken down airplane Batman.

That is INSANE.

This isn’t Judge Dredd.

A lot of cops and bureaucrats believe the exact same thing.

[TheRedComet]

I know. And it’s absolutely terrifying.

[WuWei]

@TheRedComet

I know. And it’s absolutely terrifying.

Now add in profiling.

[WuWei]

Opening gates, peeking in windows, lyng, assumption of truth by the courts (privilege).

Just one thing after another.

[WuWei]

Here’s another favorite; “We got a call and that gives us a right to ID you.”

Is a call “reasonable” suspicion or probable cause?

“Get your hands out of your pockets!”

[komobu]

@BlueHeron

There are no lawful orders without reasonable and articulate answers to the question:

What crime am I committing, have committed or am about to commit?

Pointless and argumentative. Save your concerns for the Judge. With the police, it just escalates things. Do you really think a Police Officer is going to say “Your right Mr Jones, I have no idea what I suspect you of. Have a nice day”?

[WuWei]

@komobu

Save your concerns for the Judge.

good one

[WuWei]

@komobu

With the police, it just escalates things.

Who is my accuser?

[STODR]

There are plenty of videos out there of them letting them go after that. Granted it normally takes a supervisor to do it and some time.

[Call_me_Ishmael]

Those who say the order is legitimate if grounded in the law (strangely enough) ignore that many laws are unconstitutional.

[GrandWazoo]

@Roxiebelle

I’d say any order given by the police while they are on official duty.

A friend of mine was a County Sheriff. He was required to carry his badge and gun whenever he was in public. I asked him about him responding to anything when he was off duty. And he told me that he was obligated to respond to any illegal activity whenever he saw it or was called to assist. He also told me that the majority of his training was the law with a specific focus on citizens rights under the law.

[komobu]

@WuWei

Who is my accuser?

Usually the Police Officer.

[WuWei]

@STODR

There are plenty of videos out there of them letting them go after that. Granted it normally takes a supervisor to do it and some time.

“Letting them go after” is a problem for me.

[WuWei]

@komobu

@WuWei

Who is my accuser?

Usually the Police Officer.

That’s right. Do I have a right to know what I am accused of? Before the trial?

I say yes.