What A Horrible Ruling

WuWei · 2020-02-26T19:46:47.546Z

Ben_Natuf:

they protect our borders. that by definition is a military mission.

They are not soldiers, they are cops.

MoleUK · 2020-02-26T19:58:21.911Z

WuWei:

They are not soldiers, they are cops.

What if he was? Would he be facing charges?

mikee · 2020-02-26T20:03:08.778Z

WildRose:

This was not collateral damage.

To me the only issue is if he acted within policy and training guidelines.

I have a real problem with anyone being able to sue over the death of someone illegally present in the US or for illegals to be able to sue anyone in the US.

Per the linked article: the person who was shot was NOT “present in the US” (legally or otherwise) they were in Mexico.

WildRose · 2020-02-26T20:03:56.002Z

He was actually straddling the border since the culvert was the border.

MoleUK · 2020-02-26T20:06:42.279Z

WildRose:

He was actually straddling the border since the culvert was the border.

“Likely shot in the neck while he was running.”

"He was unarmed, standing on the Mexican side of the border on a sidewalk on Calle Internacional street, in front of a doctor’s office, below a sign reading “Medical Emergencies” in Spanish. He was hit from behind by 10 bullets."

And there was video footage but US customs and border protection refused to release it. I’m surprised they’d be allowed to refuse that in court.

WildRose · 2020-02-26T20:25:07.460Z

Keep reading. It states that the culvert on which he was standing was the border.

WuWei · 2020-02-27T01:44:38.466Z

MoleUK:

WuWei:

They are not soldiers, they are cops.

What if he was? Would he be facing charges?

No. If he was a good soldier he wouldn’t have shot a kid for chunking rocks. That’s not how you handle that.

WuWei · 2020-02-27T01:45:04.646Z

WildRose:

He was actually straddling the border since the culvert was the border.

Irrelevant.

WildRose · 2020-02-27T03:30:58.657Z

It is to the question of whether the kid was on US soil or not which was the crux of the decision.

Paul_Thomson · 2020-02-27T04:05:56.915Z

WuWei:

No. If he was a good soldier he wouldn’t have shot a kid for chunking rocks. That’s not how you handle that.

Was he “a kid”? “A youth”? Or “a military aged male”? Two of the above? Or all three?

WildRose · 2020-02-27T04:17:42.344Z

You can be all three actually.

Ben_Natuf · 2020-02-27T08:49:06.951Z

they shouldn’t be

I have advocated rolling cpb into the coast guard and creating a “border guard” under DoD control for years. Along with that we need to join every other developed nation and make deporting illegal aliens a strictly executive function.

WuWei · 2020-02-27T11:42:52.755Z

Paul_Thomson:

WuWei:

No. If he was a good soldier he wouldn’t have shot a kid for chunking rocks. That’s not how you handle that.

Was he “a kid”? “A youth”? Or “a military aged male”? Two of the above? Or all three?

All three.

WuWei · 2020-02-27T11:43:52.492Z

Ben_Natuf:

they shouldn’t be

And yet, they are. And because of stare decisis, they are now immune.

Paul_Thomson · 2020-02-27T13:17:28.567Z

Military-aged men illegally crossing borders are a military assault on the country they are entering or they are deserters.
If there is injustice in their home country, military aged men have the duty to fight against the injustice at home.
They have no right to run away.

WuWei · 2020-02-27T16:43:32.541Z

Military age doesn’t mean in the military.

Weedhopper · 2020-02-27T16:56:05.616Z

Just like the Obama judges that release criminal illegal alien’s back into to our communities who kill law abiding citizens who will not get their day in court. Right?

moonshine · 2020-02-27T17:26:57.511Z

so heres my question…
as a result of this ruling if for example a mexican thug shoots a border patrol agent from the mexican side does this mean the thug is free from any consequences under us law.

Safiel · 2020-02-27T17:57:03.984Z

moonshine:

so heres my question…
as a result of this ruling if for example a mexican thug shoots a border patrol agent from the mexican side does this mean the thug is free from any consequences under us law.

It doesn’t work that way.

But perhaps Mexico should refuse extradition in any such cases until the Supreme Court changes its tune on this issue.

If a Border Agent can shoot and kill across the border with impunity, with no chance of justice for the victims, then justice should be denied in the opposite situation.

moonshine · 2020-02-27T18:01:18.165Z

That’s what I meant. Basically this ruling can be putting a big target on cpb agents backs