Wells Fargo, TD Bank have already given Trump-related financial documents to Congress

Tilly_jow · 2019-05-24T03:54:11.337Z

Forcefield:

DougBH:

If tax returns are necessary to prove integrity, she needs to release hers now.

Curious if every speaker of the house before her for the past 50 years has released their taxes?

I see ‘‘Whataboutism’’ is running ramped. Nothing like the old standbys.

Forcefield · 2019-05-24T03:54:42.895Z

DougBH:

What prior speakers of Presidents did or didn’t do has nothing to do with it. “Tradition” might make nice songs in musicals, it doesn’t make laws. Either releasing tax and financial information by our leaders is good or not good. If you believe it is good, why would you want to exempt our Congressional leaders?

I don’t. If she said she would and then didn’t, that would bother me. Would it bother you?

Forcefield · 2019-05-24T03:55:31.386Z

Tilly_jow:

I see ‘‘Whataboutism’’ is running ramped. Nothing like the old standbys.

The premise is whataboutism.

Tilly_jow · 2019-05-24T03:56:59.764Z

Forcefield:

Tilly_jow:

I see ‘‘Whataboutism’’ is running ramped. Nothing like the old standbys.

The premise is whataboutism.

Premise of what???

Forcefield · 2019-05-24T03:58:36.242Z

Tilly_jow:

Premise of what???

That Nancy should release her taxes.

reflechissez · 2019-05-24T03:59:19.089Z

DougBH:

Forcefield:

DougBH:

If tax returns are necessary to prove integrity, she needs to release hers now.

Curious if every speaker of the house before her for the past 50 years has released their taxes?

What prior speakers of Presidents did or didn’t do has nothing to do with it. “Tradition” might make nice songs in musicals, it doesn’t make laws. Either releasing tax and financial information by our leaders is good or not good. If you believe it is good, why would you want to exempt our Congressional leaders?

Let’s start with the president. Shall we?

Tilly_jow · 2019-05-24T04:01:00.951Z

Forcefield:

Tilly_jow:

Premise of what???

That Nancy should release her taxes.

The premise of this OP is the president ponying up HIS finical records.

Forcefield · 2019-05-24T04:03:27.805Z

Tilly_jow:

The premise of this OP is the president ponying up HIS finical records.

Yes I know that. And then Doug suggested Nancy should release hers, which is whataboutism. I think you misunderstand my stance.

RTchoke · 2019-05-24T04:14:33.911Z

If your going to stand up there and spout about how it relates to morals and whether or not someone is serving their interests or the public’s interests, while claiming you don’t to be held to the same standard I don’t call that whataboutism I call it chicken ■■■■■

Amazing how those Congress critters become millionaires on their modest salary.

Who are they serving?

reflechissez · 2019-05-24T04:16:06.900Z

RTchoke:

If your going to stand up there and spout about how it relates to morals and whether or not someone is serving their interests or the public’s interests, while claiming you don’t to be held to the same standard I don’t call that whataboutism I call it chicken ■■■■■

Amazing how those Congress critters become millionaires on their modest salary.

Who are they serving?

Got any specifics?

RTchoke · 2019-05-24T04:21:24.765Z

Of what? Congress critters who became millionaires in office?

You really gonna play dumb on that one?

reflechissez · 2019-05-24T04:31:08.694Z

So you don’t have any facts to back up your assertion? ok.

RTchoke · 2019-05-24T04:34:49.834Z

So we are going with playing dumb then. OK.

reflechissez · 2019-05-24T04:38:43.018Z

You’re so certain about what you said. Why can’t you give any specifics?

RTchoke · 2019-05-24T04:45:34.933Z

Just one off the top then.

Ballotpedia

Changes in Net Worth of U.S. Senators and Representatives (Personal Gain Index)

Ballotpedia: The Encyclopedia of American Politics

Top 20: The average increase in net worth in the Top 20 was 422% a year, excluding Chellie Pingree.

That you really want to try to deny this is not accurate says so much more about you than me.

Related to Nancy perhaps?

This argument has been out there for decades and bitched about by both sides.

Tilly_jow · 2019-05-24T04:50:22.585Z

RTchoke:

Of what? Congress critters who became millionaires in office?

You really gonna play dumb on that one?

As an aside, in 2008 when Biden was running/thinking if running for president; Rush did a derogatory little bit on him how he mustn’t be very sharp if after 30 years in public life he wasn’t even worth $1million. That’s cons for you, rag on honest politician because he didn’t enrich himself at the public trough.

RTchoke · 2019-05-24T05:06:48.736Z

Meh, I’m not gonna rag on him for that. I’ll give credit for not being a total bottom feeding scumbag and enriching himself to the extent the others do. He is however pretty well off and his wife’s addition to the family finances helps also.

Also appears things are looking up.

Money

Joe Biden Is Running for President in 2020. Here’s What We Know About ‘Middle...

He was once considered one of the poorest members of the U.S. Senate.

After the Obama presidency ended, though, Biden appears to be making significantly more money from books. Joe and Jill Biden reportedly signed a multi-million-dollar book deal with Flatiron Books in 2017, stipulating that he write two books and she write one.

Today, Jill and Joe Biden’s main home is a 7,000-square-foot custom home built on a private lake in Greenville, Delaware, outside of Wilmington.

After leaving his post as vice president, Joe Biden and his wife Jill reportedly used some of their book advances to buy a $2.7 million vacation home in Rehoboth Beach, Delaware. The six-bedroom home overlooks Cape Henlopen State Park and has ocean views, and it has a gourmet kitchen, elevator, and three fireplaces.

Well that doesn’t suck, let me tell you.

Still does not negate there are a huge number of critters who enrich themselves while in office to the tune of millions.

Tilly_jow · 2019-05-24T05:13:09.658Z

RTchoke:

Meh, I’m not gonna rag on him for that. I’ll give credit for not being a total bottom feeding scumbag and enriching himself to the extent the others do. He is however pretty well off and his wife’s addition to the family finances helps also.

Also appears things are looking up.

Joe Biden 2020: Net Worth, Money of Former Vice President | Money

After the Obama presidency ended, though, Biden appears to be making significantly more money from books. Joe and Jill Biden reportedly signed a multi-million-dollar book deal with Flatiron Books in 2017, stipulating that he write two books and she write one.

Today, Jill and Joe Biden’s main home is a 7,000-square-foot custom home built on a private lake in Greenville, Delaware, outside of Wilmington.

After leaving his post as vice president, Joe Biden and his wife Jill reportedly used some of their book advances to buy a $2.7 million vacation home in Rehoboth Beach, Delaware. The six-bedroom home overlooks Cape Henlopen State Park and has ocean views, and it has a gourmet kitchen, elevator, and three fireplaces.

Well that doesn’t suck, let me tell you.

Still does not negate there are a huge number of critters who enrich themselves while in office to the tune of millions.

Yeah, why don’t you amortize that over 40 years and let us know what you get.

RTchoke · 2019-05-24T05:21:20.197Z

He is not the richest yet still has more than most people in the nation. A simple fact. I gave him credit for not being a total scumbag as others are.

Even when I agree with you you still find a way to be disagreeable.

Wonder no more why some no longer try around here.

DougBH · 2019-05-24T06:28:42.579Z

Forcefield:

Tilly_jow:

The premise of this OP is the president ponying up HIS finical records.

Yes I know that. And then Doug suggested Nancy should release hers, which is whataboutism. I think you misunderstand my stance.

whataboutism = consistency