Welcome to NATO Sweden!

[Imel]

Yes and I think Europe is starting to realise we need to defend ourselves.

[TheRedComet]

There’s no possible way that Parliament would let the sub pens in Scotland just go free. At the very least they keep those, even if they had to force the Scots at gun point to turn them over.

[TheRedComet]

Good. Won’t hear any complaints from me about that. We should have never made you all dependent on us in the first place.

[WuWei]

reserved matters and excepted matters

[Imel]

But there’s a difference between that and countries who wish you harm. Thinking covid and the war, that affected everyone globally.

[TheRedComet]

There’s plenty of countries that wish us harm. Doesn’t mean we have to respond to them or escalate things.

[FreeAndClear]

@TheRedComet

Dude Russia historically suffered three invasions from Europe in its long and complicated history.

1. Napoleonic France in 1812.

2. The Kaiser’s Germany in 1915-1918.

3. Hitler in 1941-1944.

And that last one was so awful that the Soviet population didn’t return to pre war status until the 1980s. We are talking 30 million dead fighting the Germans in WWII.

From a historical standpoint I can understand why the Russians tend to be paranoid about things. And why they tend to view Western Europe and by extension us here in the United States with a weird kind of view.

It actually goes much longer than that

Every child in Russia knows who Alexander Nevsky is. The movie scene of the Swedes drowning on the lake is imprinted in Russian minds since childhood

That’s 13th freaking century!!

[Imel]

If course not, you can sit by and watch Russia and China and maybe North Korea consolidate power.

[FreeAndClear]

@Imel

If course not, you can sit by and watch Russia and China and maybe North Korea consolidate power.

Not to start playing devils advocate but did nato help Chechnya? Georgia? Those were consolidating wars.

[TheRedComet]

1. Modern Russia is a joke. Outside of their nukes they are no threat to us.

2. China is a long term problem, I agree with that. With that said, the CCP loves money. And trying to fight a big war with us interrupts that globalist money flow they’ve built their country on the top of.

3. North Korea, literally a bigger joke than Russia.

[Imel]

Again the people spoke and wanted change.
They don’t advocate dictatorship.

[TheRedComet]

I picked the three most westerners would have some familiarity with.

[TheRedComet]

They’re not as European as Ukrainians or something?

[WuWei]

None of them ever called me a deplorable…

[FreeAndClear]

@TheRedComet

They’re not as European as Ukrainians or something?

Well yeah. Syrians - nope!! Ukrainians - come on in!

[Imel]

They are all dictators. Not good for business or anything really

[TheRedComet]

I bet half of the stuff in your house came from China.

[Imel]

How awful for you.
1st world problems as they say.

[TheRedComet]

I mean they didn’t.

Like Muhammad Ali once said, ain’t no Vietnamese man ever called me ■■■■■■.

Where’s the beef in that scenario?

[Imel]

I think they are funding Russia.
What can you do.