Welcome to Election Day 2024

[Eagle-Keeper]

@PurpnGold

@Eagle-Keeper

Capriciously, and intentionally opening up the border to millions and millions of phony asylum seekers from all over the world, including murderers, rapists, gang members, and all other sorts of criminals was likely not a good idea either.

This lie seems to have worked incredibly well. Especially since Trump also let is millions of asylum seekers during his 4 years.

Now let’s see how these day one mass deportations work out.

The only thing about that though it was not a lie:

Just don't call it open borders

I know that we often go back and forth on immigration and who wants or doesn’t want open borders or even what is open borders. What I’ve concluded is that with regards to immigration the Democrat party and those on the Left have no concern over the border especially what ever the numbers are of people that come across the border. In their views there’s no amount of humanity flowing into the country that would concern them. The more the merrier! They only thing they really don’t like is the term …

The only lie was from Biden, Harris and Mayorkas, that US sovereignty ends at the utterance of few magic words from a bunch of phony asylum seekers. The lie that there’s was nothing else we could do but parole millions and millions of phony asylum seekers into the country.

Regarding some of Trumps policies on the matter:

https://www.reuters.com/article/world/trump-administration-sets-record-low-limit-for-new-us-refugees-idUSKBN27D1UG/

Important Changes for Asylum Seekers under the Trump Administration -...

[PurpnGold]

@Eagle-Keeper

@PurpnGold

@Eagle-Keeper

Capriciously, and intentionally opening up the border to millions and millions of phony asylum seekers from all over the world, including murderers, rapists, gang members, and all other sorts of criminals was likely not a good idea either.

This lie seems to have worked incredibly well. Especially since Trump also let is millions of asylum seekers during his 4 years.

Now let’s see how these day one mass deportations work out.

The only thing about that though it was not a lie:

Just don't call it open borders

The only lie was from Biden, Harris and Mayorkas, that US sovereignty ends at the utterance of few magic words from a bunch of phony asylum seekers. The lie that there’s was nothing else we could do but parole millions and millions of phony asylum seekers into the country.

Regarding some of Trumps policies on the matter:

https://www.reuters.com/article/world/trump-administration-sets-record-low-limit-for-new-us-refugees-idUSKBN27D1UG/

Trump let millions of asylum seekers into the country. That is a fact.

Yes it was less than Biden. That is also a fact.

[Oryx]

@PAmoderate37

@Oryx

Hopefully yesterday’s results will lead to some introspection and a change of course, but I have my doubts.

I hope so too, but this guy can hit the road. It’s the old we weren’t far enough left crazy talk liberals like to use whenever they lose.

Is that how you see it? To me his statement says “we made a bunch of mistakes and anyone with half a brain should have seen this defeat coming.”

[Oryx]

@SeaManatee

Seems like it will be a split between the party is awful and the people are awful for not voting for the party.

And then there won’t be agreement on why the party is awful.

I might go independent for party registration but there’s not a great reason to look up how to change. Maybe the message sent as they see more people leave the party but the election loss should be enough.

When Trump won the first time I think the Dem consensus was that “the people are awful for not voting for the party.” Hopefully that won’t be the case this time and there will be more introspection.

[W_and_C]

@Oryx

@SeaManatee

Seems like it will be a split between the party is awful and the people are awful for not voting for the party.

And then there won’t be agreement on why the party is awful.

I might go independent for party registration but there’s not a great reason to look up how to change. Maybe the message sent as they see more people leave the party but the election loss should be enough.

When Trump won the first time I think the Dem consensus was that “the people are awful for not voting for the party.” Hopefully that won’t be the case this time and there will be more introspection.

Predictably, I am already hearing the ever-so-popular “Everyone is sexist and racist” excuse.

[FlameHeart]

You mean, Republicans got not only the presidency, but the House and the Senate, too?!

[PAmoderate37]

@Oryx

Is that how you see it? To me his statement says “we made a bunch of mistakes and anyone with half a brain should have seen this defeat coming.”

From the linked article:

McKay has previously supported the Democratic Party, and endorsed Bernie Sanders for president in 2016 and 2020. However, in 2019 he said he had also joined the Democratic Socialists of America. He has been vocal about the need for climate action and signed an open letter to Joe Biden in October 2023 calling for a ceasefire in Gaza.

He criticized the Democratic Party’s election strategy in a post on X earlier in the night, writing: “Who would have guessed lying about Biden’s cognitive health for 2 yrs, refusing to do an open convention for a new nominee, never mentioning public healthcare & embracing fracking, the Cheneys & a yr long slaughter of children in Gaza wouldn’t be a winning strategy?”

How could you not see it any other way. It’s a list of the far left’s grievances.

[W_and_C]

@FlameHeart

You mean, Republicans got not only the presidency, but the House and the Senate, too?!

The Senate has been a foregone conclusion since Joe Manchin retired months ago.

[W_and_C]

Yup. I stopped reading when I saw the Gaza nonsense.

[W_and_C]

For a much better statement, look to representative Ritchie Torres:

[PurpnGold]

@W_and_C

For a much better statement, look to representative Ritchie Torres:

I don’t buy it.

The far left had ZERO political power. Yes they had a voice on social media. But so does MTG and Boebert… the difference being that they are in power and a large majority of Trump supporter agree with them.

[Oryx]

It’s a mixture of liberal grievances (fracking, Gaza, etc.) and legitimate mistakes (Biden’s health coverup, no open convention, etc.). You said that you hope this loss leads to introspection and a change of course within the party. What does that mean to you?

[W_and_C]

@PurpnGold

@W_and_C

For a much better statement, look to representative Ritchie Torres:

I don’t buy it.

The far left had ZERO political power. Yes they had a voice on social media. But so does MTG and Boebert… the difference being that they are in power and a large majority of Trump supporter agree with them.

What they lack in meaningful accomplishments, they more than make up for in online engagement and media attention.

Average voters do see that stuff, and it does affect them.

“LatinX” is a good example. Now, look how many of these “LatinX” voted for Trump yesterday

[Oryx]

@W_and_C

I stopped reading when I saw the Gaza nonsense.

I fully support Israel, but the war in Gaza hurts Dems this election season. That’s not nonsense.

[W_and_C]

@Oryx

@W_and_C

I stopped reading when I saw the Gaza nonsense.

I fully support Israel, but the war in Gaza hurts Dems this election season. That’s not nonsense.

A common misconception is that Gaza would(did?) cost Democrats Michigan.

I remember looking at the crosstabs of a MI poll a while ago and overwhelmingly, most respondents supported Israel. All of Michigan isn’t Dearborn, obviously.

It’s simply illogical to suggest that being tough (threated arms embargo?) on Israel would have been smart politics.

[SeaManatee]

CNN Reports Senior Harris Campaign Official Throwing Biden Under the Bus: He...

I still hold Biden responsible for a large portion of disaster.

[Oryx]

@W_and_C

It’s simply illogical to suggest that being tough (threated arms embargo?) on Israel would have been smart politics.

I’m not suggesting that and I certainly wouldn’t support it. No single issue cost Dems Michigan or any other state. But Gaza is one of several issues that hurt them that they need to figure out over the next two years.

[PAmoderate37]

@Oryx

It’s a mixture of liberal grievances (fracking, Gaza, etc.) and legitimate mistakes (Biden’s health coverup, no open convention, etc.). You said that you hope this loss leads to introspection and a change of course within the party. What does that mean to you?

Quit hurting everyday people with your climate change initiatives, equality not equity, don’t label people as racist or misogynists simple for not supporting someone or some issue. That’s a good start.

[W_and_C]

@Oryx

@W_and_C

It’s simply illogical to suggest that being tough (threated arms embargo?) on Israel would have been smart politics.

I’m not suggesting that and I certainly wouldn’t support it. No single issue cost Dems Michigan or any other state. But Gaza is one of several issues that hurt them that they need to figure out over the next two years.

If you are simply saying that the fact that Gaza war is happening hurt them - then yes, I agree.

But the pundit whose article you posted seemed to be implying that it would have been politically prudent for the Biden White House to reduce or drop their support of Israel. Which is demonstrably false.

[Oryx]

@W_and_C

If you are simply saying that the fact that Gaza war is happening hurt them - then yes, I agree.

But the pundit whose article you posted seemed to be implying that it would have been politically prudent for the Biden White House to reduce or drop their support of Israel. Which is demonstrably false.

I’m saying that the issue hurt them and their messaging was bad. I don’t know what the solution is, but they need to figure it out before the next election.