Welcome back to 1970s (stagflation) . . . World Bank projects US GDP to grow only 0.5% in 2023

3 years hence is just when it becomes undeniable.
In economics, the derivative (rate of change) matters a lot.

EX:
The 1980s were an economic boom yet in the first half, mortgage rates were over 15% and for the second half rates were 10-15%. Why wasn’t that Armageddon? Because throughout the 1970s rates had been 7.5-10%. What mattered was not the 10-20% rate, what mattered was that rates (only) doubled.)

The economy is already sick. The symptoms, the pain, are already here. The dearth of full-time employment, wages of the lower half not keeping pace with inflation, car repossessions way up. Entire sectors of retail are selling 20% less than they did just 3 years ago. The lower half cannot buy houses etc. etc..

Saying “I’m not sick because the coma part of my illness has not hit yet” is not the same as being healthy.

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Let’s not lose sight of the fact that this is not (just)evidence of a problem to come. It means the economy is already unhealthy.

Returning to my farm analogy:
the farmer is already eating off the UNICEF truck because his farm is not already not healthy.

When people say “He is still eating corn so . . . the economy is still healthy” just means they have lost sight of things."

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This just came across my twitter feed.

Would we be correct to say

  • “There is no problem until the money runs out?”
    Or
  • “As long as certain numbers continue to grow that means the economy is fine?”

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Another milestone has been reached!

And the milestone was reached very quickly.
The US deficit rises during recessions. (Tax revenue go down, social welfare payments go up.)

But in the past, deficits go down when we are not in recession.
Except for WW2, no congress, no president, has ever been so irresponsible as to take on a big deficit unless we needed it for a recession.

Torsten Sløk is pretty good.

Stagflation is one of the biggest risks staring down the Fed in 2026, Apollo’s Torsten Sløk says.
The scenario, often thought to be the worst-case for the economy, entails slow growth and elevated inflation.
That risk is one of the biggest obstacles to the Fed cutting rates next year, in Sløk’s view.

Slow growth and high inflation?

Inflation went down and the 3rd qtr GDP rose to 4.3 percent (market prediction was 3.3 percent)

Imports down 4 percent and exports up 8.9 percent..

Doesn’t sound slow to me.

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Very happy news!

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Here’s a link regarding GDP:

US economic growth surges to fastest rate in two years; Tesla’s European sales drop again – as it happened | Business | The Guardian US economic growth surges to fastest rate in two years; Tesla’s European sales drop again – as it happened | Business | The Guardian

It looks like the economy should do well in 2026.

Looks like 4th qtr is 5.4 percent. :+1: :grinning_face:

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Relying on Atlanta fed numbers isn’t alway the best of options

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once in while the GDPnow are close, but usually not.

Allan

the consensus is for 1% growth. which will be closer to reality.

Allan

Seems like economy was revised to 4.4 percent growth for last quarter.

Contributing Factors: Investment in AI infrastructure, strong consumer demand, and a decrease in imports.

How much was it in dollars and cents?
How much did debt increase in dollars and cents?

Hypothesis:
Track that for several quarters in a row, and you will see a very disturbing (post-COVID) trend.