The average duration of the disease in individuals is 2 weeks.

Education before pontification is a really good idea.

Uh huh/

And 2+2=4.

I’m sorry, but it’s clear this conversation is over your ideologically anchored head.

Over my head? I’ve been right on this subject since January when the rest of you were blowing it off as nothing.

I’ll try one more time.

A trend line not going down is not proof your actions had no effect on the trend line.

This is one of those sentences that seems simple, but takes a little bit of thought to get it right, so let’s walk through it slowly together.

We are watching a trend line that is rising - meaning, going up on the y axis as it moves to the right on the x axis.

To alter the trend, we do ‘X’.

The trend continues to rise.

What can we conclusively say?

  • ‘X’ did not make the trend level off or go down. That is true.

But can we say ‘X’ had no effect on the trend line? No. We can not say that.

Why not?

Because we do not know what the trend line would look like in the absence of ‘X’.

In the absence of ‘X’ the line might have risen FASTER. Or, conceivably, in the absence of ‘X’ the line might have fallen to zero. Who knows?

Since this is a real time experience, we can not go back in time and eliminate ‘X’ and no for sure what would happen to the trend line.

Is that understandable?

A trend line not going down is not proof your actions had no effect on the trend line.

Now, if you are with me so far, let’s wander into extra credit territory.

Imagine a situation where you COULD go back in time, and you COULD watch the trend line again IN THE ABSENCE OF ‘X’! Then you could answer the question, couldn’t you? You would know if ‘X’ was having an effect on the trend line. If, as you suggest, the trend not going down means your actions had no effect.

We can in fact do this with computer modeling.

If you are still with me, we can walk through, step by step, what computer modeling is, and how we can use it to answer the real life question we were discussing before we had to slow things down.

But here, spoiler alert: Computer modeling proves our social distancing is having a postive effect.

That’s a whole lot of wasted bandwith to say nothing of substance.

The average course of the disease is 2 weeks. How long have we been practicing the social distancing and shutting down of all non essential commerce?

Two weeks is all that is necessary to break the chain IF what we’re doing is going to work at all.

If not, we’ve blown up the economy and the deficit for nothing.

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How can you prove there wouldn’t be more deaths if we hadn’t been socially distancing?

The idea of social distancing isn’t to expedite the peak, it’s to spread it out and lower it so the medical system isn’t overwhelmed.

Actually social distancing measures delay the peak.

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The problem is that we (Americans in particular) seem to suck at this. We don’t like being told to stay home, and a lot of people don’t. And last I read, only about 40% of commerce is considered non-essential, so 60% of commerce is still running. Your hypothetical only works if close to 100% of people scrupulously stay home. Even you know that isn’t happening.

Condescension noted. Are you even interested in communication/debate or just belittling? When people say things like that at any point in their post that is all that the receiver’s hear, not the substance of the post.

Which we’ve known for centuries is the only effective way to burn out a pandemic.

Slow burn instead of a sharp pain.

So far we have not broke the hospitals.

Hang in there NYC.

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Yes…that’s what I’m reading/seeing.

The comment was directed at WildRose, who takes the ridiculous position that we’re wasting time and effort if we can’t make a global pandemic disappear in two weeks by 100% of the population never leaving their homes. As such, condescension is probably a more nuanced approach than the warranted ridicule.

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It can’t be proven either way.

If however it’s working we’ll know in five to ten days since we know the average duration of the disease in patients.

No argument here, that’s why I said you could not enforce such a quarantine in the US as they had in Korea.

We tend to push back instead of bowing when pushed.

Completely ignoring the many, many asymptomatic carriers in our midst. That’s what makes this so difficult and dangerous.

Quarantine and isolation are really the only proven methods to cut off an outbreak.

Break the chain.

No I’m not. The disease duration will be shorter in those patients because it’s milder and they have a quicker immune response.

2 weeks should break the chain whether they are symptomatic or not.

All of them. They are doctors.