But not necessarily innocent.
Exonerated of all charges related to the death penalty. Who among us is âinnocentâ? What is your point? No wonder it doesnât bother you that George Floyd got the death penalty for allegedly passing a counterfeit $20.
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The Supreme Court swept away all remaining stays and Wesley Ira Purkey was executed this morning.
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Oh my no. I gave Mr George his due grief. But I had to move on to the 60 that were murdered in Baltimore alone since then. They received death penalties too. And I havenât even gotten to the other cities.
Why the â â â â dont you care about them?
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Ultimately, our adversarial system of justice cannot function without the vigorous participation of defense counsel. Clarence Earl Gideon was innocent of the crime he was accused of committing in Florida. As a layman, he was unable to vindicate himself in court. After Gideon v Wainwright, his court appointed attorney was able to destroy the prosecutionâs case and Gideon was acquitted in less than an hour on retrial.
Defense attorneyâs are absolutely crucial to the administration of justice, even when their client is actually guilty. They still must combat overcharging and excess sentencing. And it is their job to zealously pursue direct, collateral and habeas appeals after conviction.
Yes, some individual attorneys go too far, but the system as a whole cannot function without them.
What indication do you have that I donât âcareâ? Not every murder is a zeitgeist-influencing news maker. They cannot all be. Again, with the no context.
So an average of 3.5 per year over the last 47 years. Iâd say thatâs a lot. And those are just the ones that were actually successful at winning their case/appeal/freedom. Just imagine the innocent ones that couldnât. Anyone who assumes they are just âcollateral damageâ is a horrible human being.
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And what kind of person is just like âwell, they probably did some bad stuff anywayâ?
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How many murders in the street of black men does it take before it becomes it becomes important?
It is important. Itâs not my job to fix it. Why are you holding it over an anonymous internet posterâs head? Thatâs weird.
Not my job to fix the consequences of being a counterfeiting thug.
In 2007
aggravated robbery with a deadly weapon.
Floyd pleaded guilty and was sentenced to five years.
THUG
His death is no more a part of any zeitgeist ( as you referred to it) than any of the other thousands of black men killed by other black men.
He was a â â â â â â â thug and his demise was his own damn fault.
Cool. Glad to hear where you stand.
Well, yeah it is. Because there are protests and murals and stuff. Sometimes things happen that capture the culture and implore us to take a deeper look at what might be broken in said culture. Whether you like it or not, and you clearly donât, which is fine.
If he had been killed during the burglary in 2007, you would be correct.
He was killed in 2020 by a psychopathic cop and did nothing to warrant the treatment he received.
If I went bungee cord jumping, I might die. And I would have not deserved to die. But bungee-cord jumping has risks and I would have accepted those risks. No one to blame but myself. Breaking the law and then resisting arrest likewise has risks. And like my notional bungee cord jumper, no one to blame but himself.
So paying with an âallegedâ counterfeit 20 dollar bill is a death sentence?
And no, he shouldnât have resisted arrest. That said, it wasnât long before he was in a position where he could no longer resist. And instead of getting up off of him, Chauvin just kept his knee on the manâs neck.
He did not deserve to be executed for any of that. Indirectly, everything that has happened can be traced back to Chauvin and his decision to murder Floyd. Absent that key event, no rioters and looters destroying cities and no open warfare between police and protesters.
Chauvin is basically Gavrillo Princip. Of course the individuals are responsible for their own actions. But without Chauvinâs execution of Floyd, none of this happens. He lit the fuse. And he will have to live with that knowledge for the rest of his miserable life.
At least as much as bungee cord jumping.
Itâs risky behavior⌠like counterfeiting and resisting arrest. You know it. I know it. Stop with the âso he should be sentenced to death?â strawman. Or i wonât debate you.
Itâs not a straw man.
Chauvin shouldnât have killed him. He played judge, jury, and executioner.
And now we have burned out cities, murdered cops, and a broken relationship between whites and blacks. I havenât seen this much interracial animosity in years. Not since Ferguson and even that didnât hold a candle to what has happened in the last two months. It feels like the 1960s.
And Chauvin lit the fuse.
