Water Shortages: The greatest Threat to America?

[zantax]

@SixFoot

@zantax

Agriculture needs to move indoors, you only use a fraction of the water that way.

A mostly submerged greenhouse will provide food year-round without the need for cooling in the summer or heating in the winter.

Yes I have been looking into passive greenhouse designs, while also doing some vertical hydro farming in my garage and also have an outdoor garden.

[Guvnah]

@zantax

Agriculture needs to move indoors, you only use a fraction of the water that way.

First let’s figure out how to build those barns with floor space measured in square miles.

[zantax]

@JayJay

The biggest middle finger humanity has ever given nature was to propose and then try to live by an economic model that relies on constant growth forever and ever.

No matter how technologically advanced we become, such a model is simply not sustainable.

You don’t even have to believe in global warming or anything like it to understand this.

Oh but it is sustainable, still plenty of resources left in the solar system.

[zantax]

@Guvnah

@zantax

Agriculture needs to move indoors, you only use a fraction of the water that way.

First let’s figure out how to build those barns with floor space measured in square miles.

I think a more distributed model makes more sense. I already grow all my vegetables. You don’t need the same square footage you would need outside, think vertical. I don’t think it will be long until you can buy houses with an integrated AI controlled farm attached. And quite a few groceries are also starting to grow their own produce on site.

[Guvnah]

@zantax

I think a more distributed model makes more sense. I already grow all my vegetables. You don’t need the same square footage you would need outside, think vertical. I don’t think it will be long until you can buy houses with an integrated AI controlled farm attached.

We feed the world with agribusiness. An anecdote of one person (or a million!) succeeding at self-sufficiency won’t address billions in the urban population.

[zantax]

@Guvnah

@zantax

I think a more distributed model makes more sense. I already grow all my vegetables. You don’t need the same square footage you would need outside, think vertical. I don’t think it will be long until you can buy houses with an integrated AI controlled farm attached.

We feed the world with agribusiness. An anecdote of one person (or a million!) succeeding at self-sufficiency won’t address billions in the urban population.

They are starting to make auto farming units for home use, I see no reason they couldn’t become as ubiquitous as refrigerators or stoves. And vegetables are the most water intensive. Leaving the outdoors for things like wheat, soybean and corn.

[zantax]

Big names jumping in the market.

LG Indoor Gardening Appliance Lets You Grow Your Own Veggies At Home

Pretty attractive tech, grow your own vegetables with no pesticides, yes please.

[SixFoot]

The less work it involves for you, the better.

The less tech it requires for that lack of labor, the superior.

[JayJay]

@zantax

@JayJay

The biggest middle finger humanity has ever given nature was to propose and then try to live by an economic model that relies on constant growth forever and ever.

No matter how technologically advanced we become, such a model is simply not sustainable.

You don’t even have to believe in global warming or anything like it to understand this.

Oh but it is sustainable, still plenty of resources left in the solar system.

Not sustainable…even assuming we could access solar system resources in a timely enough fashion.

[zantax]

@JayJay

@zantax

@JayJay

The biggest middle finger humanity has ever given nature was to propose and then try to live by an economic model that relies on constant growth forever and ever.

No matter how technologically advanced we become, such a model is simply not sustainable.

You don’t even have to believe in global warming or anything like it to understand this.

Oh but it is sustainable, still plenty of resources left in the solar system.

Not sustainable…even assuming we could access solar system resources in a timely enough fashion.

Absolutely sustainable, sorry. Do you not believe green energy can meet our demands now? And we could access solar system resources right now if we wanted to. Thanks to Musk.

[JayJay]

@zantax

@JayJay

@zantax

@JayJay

The biggest middle finger humanity has ever given nature was to propose and then try to live by an economic model that relies on constant growth forever and ever.

No matter how technologically advanced we become, such a model is simply not sustainable.

You don’t even have to believe in global warming or anything like it to understand this.

Oh but it is sustainable, still plenty of resources left in the solar system.

Not sustainable…even assuming we could access solar system resources in a timely enough fashion.

Absolutely sustainable, sorry. Do you not believe green energy can meet our demands now? And we could access solar system right now if we wanted to.

Nope even with green energy the idea of constant economic growth forever is not possible due to the laws of physics.

And no we cannot appreciably access the solar system’s resources right now in a way that would make an appreciable difference.

The problem here is you expect what holds at the center holds at boundary conditions. Our entire economic system was designed when we were far from the boundary so we couldn’t even conceive of situations where it would fail.

[zantax]

@JayJay

@zantax

@JayJay

@zantax

@JayJay

The biggest middle finger humanity has ever given nature was to propose and then try to live by an economic model that relies on constant growth forever and ever.

No matter how technologically advanced we become, such a model is simply not sustainable.

You don’t even have to believe in global warming or anything like it to understand this.

Oh but it is sustainable, still plenty of resources left in the solar system.

Not sustainable…even assuming we could access solar system resources in a timely enough fashion.

Absolutely sustainable, sorry. Do you not believe green energy can meet our demands now? And we could access solar system right now if we wanted to.

Nope even with green energy the idea of constant economic growth forever is not possible due to the laws of physics.

And no we cannot appreciably access the solar system’s resources right now in a way that would make an appreciable difference.

The problem here is you expect what holds at the center holds at boundary conditions. Our entire economic system was designed when we were far from the boundary so we couldn’t even conceive of situations where it would fail.

Sure, sure, I remember being taught in school that we would all be starving and at war because of famine by now.

[SixFoot]

No more oil, no more glaciers, etc., etc…

[Liberty323]

@SixFoot

@Eagle-Keeper

In the minds of libs America could never have too many people

As long as they’re not white.

Or unborn.

[zantax]

@SixFoot

No more oil, no more glaciers, etc., etc…

Been a while since we have been visited by the peak oil fairies lol.

[SixFoot]

@zantax

@SixFoot

No more oil, no more glaciers, etc., etc…

Been a while since we have been visited by the peak oil fairies lol.

I guess it doesn’t help when giant new oil and gas reserves larger than anything Saudi Arabia ever had get fought over in Europe here in the 21st century.

[conan]

So what’s your solution Jay?

[Cratic3947]

@JayJay

@zantax

@JayJay

@zantax

@JayJay

The biggest middle finger humanity has ever given nature was to propose and then try to live by an economic model that relies on constant growth forever and ever.

No matter how technologically advanced we become, such a model is simply not sustainable.

You don’t even have to believe in global warming or anything like it to understand this.

Oh but it is sustainable, still plenty of resources left in the solar system.

Not sustainable…even assuming we could access solar system resources in a timely enough fashion.

Absolutely sustainable, sorry. Do you not believe green energy can meet our demands now? And we could access solar system right now if we wanted to.

Nope even with green energy the idea of constant economic growth forever is not possible due to the laws of physics.

And no we cannot appreciably access the solar system’s resources right now in a way that would make an appreciable difference.

The problem here is you expect what holds at the center holds at boundary conditions. Our entire economic system was designed when we were far from the boundary so we couldn’t even conceive of situations where it would fail.

Yes, we can worry about that in 10,000 years.

[JayJay]

Nice deflection. Of course what holds now will always hold.

And we are beginning to have wars over resources.

What do you think Russia/Ukraine is?

And wait until the glaciers/mountain ice that feed the water resources in Kashmir shrink some more.

The reason indefinite economic growth is unsustainable is the same reason why humans don’t…and can’t …live forever.

Because it’s not just resource depletion.

It’s that any expenditure of energy to create order results in a large amount of entropy.

The greater the energy expended, the greater the entropy released.

That entropy has to be “dissipated away” from the ordered system somehow…or it will overwhelm the order and tear it down.

[JayJay]

Where’s you evidence that we have 10,000 years.

Be specific and detailed.