Was the virgin birth allegory?


#163

Israel, the bedrock of the 3 major religions, have no problem with abortions.
The government will even pay for it.

Further, it is the god you believe that performs as many abortions, as humans do.
Now, I know they are just naturally occurring miscarriages, that happen for a variety of reasons. But for those that believe life begins at conception…


#164

There is a world out there, that I am not sure you are aware exists.

If a landlord, believes one is gay, and there is no discussion of sex…and that landlord does not want to rent a gay person, even if they are celibate…that is perfectly legal in many states.

An employer can do the same.

And there are usually 2 reasons why a person does this. Mostly due to religion (although Jesus never mentions homosexuality) or, the ick factor. But that one almost exclusively applies to men.

Now, go fight for all those unattractive people who are being discriminated against.


#165

Well, it’s a fact that taller men and prettier women get better paying jobs than short men and plain women. : )


#166

I quoted the post I responded to. It was right there in the post you replied to. I quoted your own words. You made the post today.

It won’t take much effort to go back and look. You’re asking me to do that for you. I’m telling you that you’ll have to do that for yourself.


#167

Not at all. I’m just showing that it works.

And I don’t know what else to say about that.


#168

Its the activity of virgin birth we are talking about…I can write an allegory using Abe lincoln just because he existed doesnt mean the story is true or happened or isnt told to express something else. Virgin birth could symbolize creation of a God from another world. Abe Lincoln flew to space only to be brought down by a rogue asteroid. Is it true just because abe existed? Not everything in an allegory needs to be metaphorical- but some of the story can be. In this case…the virgin birth.


#169

Except virgin births are possible.


#170

Then they wouldnt be miracles from God…unless you’re suggesting miracle virgin births are possible…of course without providing evidence


#171

I’ll try and cut and past the posts from another thread that does. Not too good at the cut stuff.


#172

From the ‘’‘Don’t Call Us Mormons’’ thread:

That’s the story


#173

That’s not a miracle from God and that’s now how the bible describes the virgin birth… of course, it is possible to get someone pregnant without intercourse. Are you suggesting another human somehow got Mary pregnant without intercourse because that is not a miracle, that’s just conception without intercourse, which is done all the time with sperm donors…thus is a very bad argument for Mary virgin birth…very bizarre argument. Males it even more believable this was just allegory


#174

I’m just saying virgin birth isn’t anything to get excited about, or as miraculous as some might think. A lot of that stuff in bible about the early part of jesus’ life has to be a bit suspect.


#175

Ok i understand but we are not talking about non miraculous virgin births but rather conception via holy spirit …not by some indirect means of transfer


#176

Once I learned about the birds and the bees, I just assumed that Mary had sex with a dude, because that’s what happened.


#177

That’s the stuff that’s been born out of myth and been justified ever since.


#178

So…I just highlighted my message, that you quoted, and your response to it.

Now when I respond to it, you’ll easily be able to see what I said first, what you said in response to it, and what I’m saying in response to you.

Makes it a lot easier to keep track of conversations.


#179

No, it’s not.


#180

Well, there is also the dying and coming back to life. That seems a bit suspect as well.


#181

Yeah, all good stories need a hook.


#182

Ok thanks.