the only games being played with history are the ones you play parroting your Russian propaganda.
In 2013 the elected Ukranian President broke his promise to the people of Ukraine who rose up in protest (much as they are now in Georgia and Abkhazia (also Georgia). The President left. His deputy took over. An election happened and the people threw the pro Russian scum out of government. Putin invaded.
Thats all that happened, there was no bloody coup. The President was not overthrown. He was not arrested, chased or even shot at. He left. He got in his car and drove himself to Russia to stay with his master. No coup. Not a bloody coup, not a violent coup, not even a paper coup.
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That is not a valid reason to use the word propaganda incorrectly. What Putin announced was a change in policy issued because the US and NATO gave the go ahead to use long range weapons against targets inside Russia, which itself was a change of policy. Whether Putin will follow through on this policy change or not is unknown, but it most certainly is not propaganda, itâs a warning that may or may not be a bluff.
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And the Ghost of Kiev and Great Pumpkin will come to save the Azov freedom fighters . . .
I have bridge in across the East River that you can purchase at a bargain price . . .
no, it is propaganda devised and spoken by Putin. He wants you to believe heâll do it, he wonât. He wants you to believe so youâll act the way he wants you to⊠I wonât.
Propaganda:
information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote a particular cause, doctrine, or point of view:
Information (change in posture) of a biased or misleading nature (his threats) used to promote a particular cause (stop supporting Ukraine) doctrine (fear me) or point of view (Russia cannot be defeated).
Pure propaganda
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Your need for this to be propaganda is mystifying.
Itâs not misleading information and itâs not promoting anything. Itâs a warning of possible retaliatory action in response to the change in US/NATO policy. Of course he wants us to believe it. He doesnât want Ukraine to hit targets inside Russia and upping the stakes is a good way to prevent it. If he was leaking word that he might use some secret weapon he pretends to have that might be considered propaganda, but everyone knows that he has nukes.
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your need to deny it is, is dumbfounding. it is propaganda
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I donât care other than that you are using the word wrong. Words and their meaning matters.
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He is promoting fear to get you to behave
âHe doesnât want Ukraine to hit targets inside Russia and upping the stakes is a good way to prevent it.â
Ukraine has been hitting targets inside Russia for more than a year. This is nothing but a game heâs playing to get the US to stop supporting Ukraine. It is not a response to anything. If it were, he would have done it a year ago. He knows by doing this his schills will parrot his propaganda blaming NATO and dumbasses will believe it and cry for peace at any cost before we roll headlong into WW3.
apparently, its working
The war has always been about NATO expansion.
NATO efforts to expand into Ukraine is all about growing the empire, not what is good for the people of Ukraine. Washington views Ukrainian conscripts as cannon fodder in the effort to subjugate Russia.
Austria has been neutral since the end of allied occupation in 1955. Finland had a similar arrangement during the Cold War. Both countries thrived. Ukraine could do the same if the US would give it a chance.
Whatâs good for the people of Ukraine?
Peace and prosperity are a good start.
The US efforts to expand NATO have brought them war and destruction.
How are they going to accomplish all that when their industrial and agricultural bases are diminished through invasion
Whatâs good for Ukrainians?
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Letâs ask them 
war fatigue always sets in.
âLONDON â After more than two years of grinding conflict, Ukrainians are increasingly weary of the war with Russia. In Gallupâs latest surveys of Ukraine, conducted in August and October 2024, an average of 52% of Ukrainians would like to see their country negotiate an end to the war as soon as possible. Nearly four in 10 Ukrainians (38%) believe their country should keep fighting until victory.â
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Even US state-owned media is admitting that Ukrainian government is dragging men off the streets to make up for the extreme losses on the front lines.
Zelensky ran as a peace candidate, but he quickly abandoned his commitments under pressure from US-backed paramilitaries. Zelenskyâs term expired in May, so he has become president-for-life by executive decree.
The regime in Kyiv is totally dependent on western aid, and Washington keeps demanding more cannon fodder to keep the war going. That is how we âsupport democracy and freedomâ.
When you are invaded by someone, especially a group of people who are content to commit egregious war crimes all the time, what would you have them do?
It depends on the context.
If you are from Donbass or Kursk, you tell them to go back home to Galicia or Canada where they honor Nazi SS veterans and Nazi collaborators as heroes.
If you are from Syria you tell them to go back home to America.
So all Ukrainians are Nazis. I swear sometimes i buy into the notion that you are Russian.
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Only a tiny fraction of Ukrainians are Nazis or in similar groups, but their influence far exceeds their numbers. They have long received funding and training from the US and its allies, and they have key positions in the SBU, the Ukrainian successor to the Soviet KGB.
The base of support for these groups is near Lviv and other areas in far western Ukraine which were part of Austria before WW1. The same region has the vast majority of monuments to Stepan Bandera, a Nazi collaborator who led guerilla forces who killed Polish and Jewish civilians during WW2 and fought Soviet forces into the 1950s.
If you are interested in the details, here is a declassified history from the late 1990s that describes CIA support of Ukrainian nationalists going back to the mid 1940s:
I am familiar with this obscure history because my ancestors came from this area before WW1. Back in the 1980s I met a WW2 veteran who was in the Polish army in 1939. He was captured by the Soviets and was in a POW camp until 1941. He was able to return to his village in the Carpathian Mountains after the German invasion.
After the war, the Ukrainian Insurgent Army (UPA) continued to fight the Polish government from the mountains and raided local villages for supplies. The governmentâs solution was to move the entire civilian population to lands annexed from Germany.
The US has a long history of mucking around with violent nationalist groups in Ukraine. The rational during the Cold War to fight against Communism, but Communism has been gone for decades. Why are we still fighting?
