by allowing them to call home every week
and I did not support that
and I did not support that
as they should have, a member was attacked from there
approved by Congress
and I did not support that
no we did not, russian propaganda
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Jezcoe
1561
Talking to family can be torture.
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Oh damn. Look who just won the internet. 
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Saddest part is that the USSR built the facility. And the Russians donāt even know how to run it. So they have been forcing the Ukrainian workers to keep it operational with just 1/3 of its normal workforce since the rest have been āevacuatedā to more āsensibleā areas.
Axxowiz
1565
We have a good record of going in getting sucked in and taking years to get out. I would like more people in congress and the media to start asking questions about all the money and weapons being sent in.
My problems is they say the west contributing but itās America when you break down how much cash is going in itās not even close.
Second where are the leaders trying to deescalate, are people dense enough to think that Russia is just going to go home and quit, unfortunately it will be a forever war. At what point will the spending be enough for the American people since they have short term memory on the treasury spent/lost on Iraq and Afghanistan for what? Not sure why we need to keep watching that movie we know how it ends.
I read the other day thereās now a 20% to 25% chance of a Tactical nuclear weapon going off thatās too high. I am not sure I know you had family there my in-laws got out they are in Germany now probably never to return as they are signing up for German speaking courses from the government. Some donāt understand those 7 million that left are not going back and there will be no peace without a peace treaty.
You realize that link is just the Ukrainian-language outlet of Radio Liberty, an arm of US government.
If you want to know what the party line is from Washington, the source is fine.
If the link is saying something that runs counter to the official narrative from Washington, it is credible as well.
This report is neither, so it may well be nothing more than propaganda.
I understand your position. I get it.
But what else are we supposed to do? Let the Russians dominate the Near Abroad?
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Orygun
1568
Well Russian forces are definitely amassing in Belarus. Belarus is increasingly sending belligerent missives out towards Ukraine. It looks increasingly likely but sure- Belarus may not send their own troops in. Weāll see.
So how exactly is he like Putin and a dictator?
THAT was the claim, not how he got into power
JayJay
1570
That last one always gets me.
Anyone that knows how Soviets negotiated knows they didnāt trust anything unless it was in writing (and usually not even then).
But yet Billski would have us believe Gorbachev held a promise (from James Baker, who was not authorized to make it) over the final agreement unifying Germany, which had no language in it limiting NATO growth.
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Axxowiz
1571
I have zero sympathy for Russia or Putin. Ukraine has every right to defend themselves from the hordes of Russia. I would like to see someone trying to end it, regardless of what the media is saying itās not all hoorah letās go over there. 7 million plus refugees, death, injured, bombs.
According to Ukraine national bank unemployment is at 35% and inflation to reach 30% I promise the majority of the citizens canāt handle that they are already the most impoverished nation in Europe. America will be asked to rebuild. The best thing for these people is peace, no one except Macron and Erdogan is even trying for that.
They are not trying and anyone who mentions gets labeled a Russian sympathizer as I said in and earlier post Rand Paul who is anti war throughout is on a black list in Ukraine he is a sitting member on the U.S. senate. We canāt have the last few anti war members of congress berated like that there needs to be more voices like his and his fathers on war.
What needs to be done everything to stop the war - negotiations, ceasefires etcā¦ Russia isnāt going to stop and while it might be humiliating for the Russian military itās devastating on the average Ukrainian.
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JayJay
1572
Again I get it but there cannot be a peace that rewards Russia with Ukrainian territory.
That just sets up the other powers like China.
Itās a punt.
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Axxowiz
1573
Are they even trying I havenāt heard anything about any peace negotiation efforts with a major western power or anything whether itās a cease-fire, land, anything. All I see is pipelines getting blasted and the talks of nuclear war daily nothing on deescalation.
You know as well as I do JayJay they canāt handle this financially there beautiful country is going to be a wasteland after this. Itās not Russian cities being destroyed.
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Samm
1574
Why? NATO has an open-door policy (itās in their Charter.) If a country meets the qualifications and wants to join NATO, as a Sovereign Nation, should they not be able to ask to be a member state? Russia even asked to join once ā¦ with unacceptable (to NATO) conditions, of course.
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JayJay
1575
I do understand that. But the Ukrainians themselves donāt want to give up. Sure we could stop supporting them, but for geopolitical reasons we really canāt.
I just donāt see a good answer to this. Any answer that stops the fighting now seems to just set us up for a future of even more misery.
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We need to get something figured out before 1/3/2023. Our support will be ending shortly thereafter.
The issue are Russian demands in regards to negotiations.
They illegally annexed Ukrainian territory. And Iām not talking about Crimea. Thatās a terrible position to negotiate from, especially when the Ukrainian Army is still making gains every day.
The Ukrainian leadership isnāt giving up yet. Nor are the soldiers. Nor are the people. And we shouldnāt stop supporting them until they decide they have achieved a good negotiating position. And for that to happen, the Russians are going to have to be pushed out of the illegally occupied/annexed territories.
This war will end in negotiations. But right now isnāt the time. Because if Ukraine gives up nowā¦ their negotiating position will be from a position of weakness.
