WAR in Ukraine, Putin approves initiation of special military operation (Part 1)

[Jezcoe]

@Camp

It is vis a vis his bungled attack on energy.

Let me get this straight.

Putin attacked Ukraine because of Biden.

That is just wild.

[margaretms2]

@Jezcoe

@Camp

It is vis a vis his bungled attack on energy.

Let me get this straight.

Putin attacked Ukraine because of Biden.

That is just wild.

And it’s also in accord with everything we know about theory:

With a Democrat in the White House, both Russia’s unilateral invasion of Ukraine and Russia’s humiliating failure are actually . . . the failure and humiliation of Biden, the US, and NATO. Once again, we are laughingstocks.

[Camp]

Putin has been taking territory since W.

Trump energy policy got him to stop from 2016 to 2020.

Then Biden sent prices through the roof and Putin jumped. Not claiming the only reason…it did embolden Putin.

[Jezcoe]

@margaretms2

And it’s also in accord with everything we know about theory:

With a Democrat in the White House, both Russia’s unilateral invasion of Ukraine and Russia’s humiliating failure are actually . . . the failure and humiliation of Biden, the US, and NATO. Once again, we are laughingstocks.

Ukraine has launched a highly successful counterattack against Russia… this is how it is bad for Biden.

[Jezcoe]

@Camp

Putin has been taking territory since W.

Trump energy policy got him to stop from 2016 to 2020.

Then Biden sent prices through the roof and Putin jumped. Not claiming the only reason…it did embolden Putin.

Specifically what about Trump’s energy policy kept Putin from invading Ukraine?

Also… I thought that Putin invaded because of Nazis.

[Camp]

This is a good turn of events.

I would not spike the ball just yet.

Putin deserves thrown back and punished for his aggression.

[Jezcoe]

@Camp

This is a good turn of events.

I would not spike the ball just yet.

Putin deserves thrown back and punished for his aggression.

Azerbaijan is going after Armenia now. They know that Russia’s military might has been depleted.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/09/14/middleeast/azerbaijan-armenia-ceasefire-broken-intl-hnk/index.html

[Camp]

Already been typed.

All about the cost and the control of resources. I doubt you are buying into the Nazi excuse. I do think that Ukraine actions in Donbas were heavy handed provocative…as was shutting off Crimea water. I would like to see Crimea either returned to Ukraine or made independent.

[margaretms2]

@Camp

This is a good turn of events.

I would not spike the ball just yet.

Putin deserves thrown back and punished for his aggression.

Good turn of events. Ah, the capricious gods have intervened. The key thing is that the libz don’t “spike the ball” on Putin.

[Camp]

The attack by Putin never should have happened. China has blood on its hands.

There is so much needless death and destruction and it is NOT over.

Biden will take credit for Ukraine gains. It looks more EU driven to me with the intel.

[Gaius]

@bigtwnvin

Starting to look like the old days of the Clintons.

I was thinking it looks like the Carter era.

Of course Carter’s personal character was top shelf, A+, beyond reproach. Today is not at all like the Carter era in that regard.

[margaretms2]

So is the Ukraine war Biden’s Iranian hostage crisis in this analogy?

[Gaius]

@margaretms2

So is the Ukraine war Biden’s Iranian hostage crisis in this analogy?

No.

I got my threads mixed up.
I thought I was posting on the economy/recession thread.

Closest analogy (regarding Ukraine) and the Carter era is that in those days the US showed foreign policy weakness for years and the Soviets (and everyone else) capitalized on it.

[Jezcoe]

@Gaius

Closest analogy (regarding Ukraine) and the Carter era is that in those days the US showed foreign policy weakness for years and the Soviets (and everyone else) capitalized on it.

If this is Russia capitalizing on perceived US weakness then bring it on I guess.

[Gaius]

@Jezcoe

@Gaius

Closest analogy (regarding Ukraine) and the Carter era is that in those days the US showed foreign policy weakness for years and the Soviets (and everyone else) capitalized on it.

If this is Russia capitalizing on perceived US weakness then bring it on I guess.

Good answer . . . and one the Biden administration (and Nancy Pelosi) frequently use regarding China.

“I’m gonna do what I’m gonna do. If you perceive it as a weakness, who cares? If try to implement some new restriction, I’ll ignore it.”

[Orygun]

Looks like Ukraine is preparing for another counter-offensive that could come soon in the next days or weeks. Ukraine appears to be amassing large forces in the south for a potential push in a number of directions including possibly Zaporizhzhia, Donetsk and Kherson.

Some chatter about Russians invaders fleeing Melitopol, Zaporizhzhya region – heading for temporarily-occupied Crimea, Ukraine. Unconfirmed.

I hope they can get Russia away from the nuke plant in Zaporizhzhya soon.

[margaretms2]

If you appear weak, your opponent will respond by feeding its military into a giant woodchipper as the world watches. What, with Finland joining NATO, Putin has us exactly where he wants us.

[Orygun]

Russia getting ready for one last stand in Crimea?

…

Russian troops were also pulling out from Melitopol, the second largest city in Ukraine’s southern Zaporizhzhia region, the city’s pre-occupation mayor said. His claim could not immediately be verified.

Melitopol has been occupied since early March. Capturing it would give Kyiv an opportunity to disrupt Russian supply lines between the south and the eastern Donbas region, the two major areas where Moscow-backed forces hold territory.

Melitopol Mayor Ivan Fedorov wrote on Telegram that the Russian troops were heading toward Moscow-annexed Crimea. He said columns of military equipment were reported at a checkpoint in Chonhar, a village marking the boundary between the Crimean peninsula and the Ukrainian mainland.

Ukrainian troops keep up pressure on fleeing Russian forces

[Gaius]

@Orygun

Russia getting ready for one last stand in Crimea?

…

Russian troops were also pulling out from Melitopol, the second largest city in Ukraine’s southern Zaporizhzhia region, the city’s pre-occupation mayor said. His claim could not immediately be verified.

Melitopol has been occupied since early March. Capturing it would give Kyiv an opportunity to disrupt Russian supply lines between the south and the eastern Donbas region, the two major areas where Moscow-backed forces hold territory.

Melitopol Mayor Ivan Fedorov wrote on Telegram that the Russian troops were heading toward Moscow-annexed Crimea. He said columns of military equipment were reported at a checkpoint in Chonhar, a village marking the boundary between the Crimean peninsula and the Ukrainian mainland.

Ukrainian troops keep up pressure on fleeing Russian forces | AP News

Okay I am not a military strategist, but I cannot resist one bit of insight

“When you surround an army, leave an outlet free.
Do not press a desperate foe too hard.”
― Sun Tzu, The Art of War

[Supreme_War_Pig]

@margaretms2

If you appear weak, your opponent will respond by feeding its military into a giant woodchipper as the world watches. What, with Finland joining NATO, Putin has us exactly where he wants us.

Post quoted for posterity