WAR in Ukraine, Putin approves initiation of special military operation (Part 1)

[FreeAndClear]

@conan

And you can condom expansionism of EU too…but you haven’t.

My favorite freudian slip of the day!

I am not making fun of the spelling. That’s a really funny slip

[WuWei]

@TheRedComet

I agree. It was foolish from that standpoint.

But Kiev has to placate the western half of the country, who hate the Russians even more than the Poles do. If they did nothing, they’d have all been decapitated and paraded through the streets.

And the alternative apparently has consequences as well.

[TheRedComet]

Yepp. No good outcomes.

Caught between a rock and a hard place.

[CanadianJudo]

@TheRedComet

@CanadianJudo

@zantax

@TommyLucchese

@zantax

Then it’s going to cost more than it’s worth.

Not if you install a puppet regime, sign a peace treaty with them and then withdraw.

If you can get them to accept it and not keep up resistance to the newly installed regime.

violence towards civilians tend to keep people passive.

There’s a limit to that, though.

Especially if outside players are funneling money and arms to the cause.

There going to kill anyone who could organize a resistance, fill the country with Russian goons then pretend the people magically became pro-Russia.

[WuWei]

@TheRedComet

Yepp. No good outcomes.

Caught between a rock and a hard place.

“Independence” be like that.

[zantax]

@CanadianJudo

@TheRedComet

@CanadianJudo

@zantax

@TommyLucchese

@zantax

Then it’s going to cost more than it’s worth.

Not if you install a puppet regime, sign a peace treaty with them and then withdraw.

If you can get them to accept it and not keep up resistance to the newly installed regime.

violence towards civilians tend to keep people passive.

There’s a limit to that, though.

Especially if outside players are funneling money and arms to the cause.

There going to kill anyone who could organize a resistance, fill the country with Russian goons then pretend the people magically became pro-Russia.

We could easily flood the country with oh, switchblade drones, only cost about six k each. This isn’t 1990.

[Hexenbiest]

There are two groups of people who let this invasion happen, first Putin and then those that failed in diplomacy and put their foots down saying no compromise on Ukraine and NATO membership knowing full well Russia was about to attack and very likely wipe Ukraine off the map and they weren’t going to a damn thing about it. If America and the EU knew they were not going to fight why put their foot down at the cost of the populace of the Ukraine. We were not in a position of strength with the Ukraine Russia always had the advantage of geography yet we didn’t budge and inch.

If Biden and the EU knew war was not only imminent and they knew there was a good chance the Ukraine would lose overwhelmingly to Russia in what world would it have not been better to keep the status quo the way things have been since 1991 and state that the Ukraine will remain neutral and not join NATO just like Finland has.

Putin and all those people knowing invasion are responsible for this, they knew this was coming Biden everyday has been say full invasion incoming. And Putin everyday was saying Ukraine cannot join NATO. That isn’t diplomacy it’s hubris and now the people of Ukraine die.

[Cratic3947]

@Hexenbiest

There are two groups of people who let this invasion happen, first Putin and then those that failed in diplomacy and put their foots down saying no compromise on Ukraine and NATO membership knowing full well Russia was about to attack and very likely wipe Ukraine off the map and they weren’t going to a damn thing about it. If America and the EU knew they were not going to fight why put their foot down at the cost of the populace of the Ukraine. We were not in a position of strength with the Ukraine Russia always had the advantage of geography yet we didn’t budge and inch.

If Biden and the EU knew war was not only imminent and they knew there was a good chance the Ukraine would lose overwhelmingly to Russia in what world would it have not been better to keep the status quo the way things have been since 1991 and state that the Ukraine will remain neutral and not join NATO just like Finland has.

Putin and all those people knowing invasion are responsible for this, they knew this was coming Biden everyday has been say full invasion incoming. And Putin everyday was saying Ukraine cannot join NATO. That isn’t diplomacy it’s hubris and now the people of Ukraine die.

Yes, only talking about limited sanctions is signalling you won’t really do anything if he invaded…

[FreeAndClear]

Anything? like what?

Libya?

[PurpnGold]

@conan

And you can condemn expansionism of EU too…but you haven’t.

I won’t. Countries have a choice to join.

[Cratic3947]

I don’t have faith in this admin to do anything, or for the govt of Ukraine to do anything, But perhaps the people will resist and Putin will have a Nam on his hands.

This would never have happened had Clinton not talked Ukraine into giving up it’s nukes with a promise of defense that never came during Crimea.

[PurpnGold]

@Hexenbiest

Putin and all those people knowing invasion are responsible for this, they knew this was coming Biden everyday has been say full invasion incoming. And Putin everyday was saying Ukraine cannot join NATO. That isn’t diplomacy it’s hubris and now the people of Ukraine die.

Why can’t Ukraine join NATO if they want to? Don’t they get say?

Russia doesn’t own Ukraine. Ukraine is a sovereign nation.

[JayJay]

@conan

And why should we? Remember Germans and EU wanted their Euro to replace the dollars as worlds currency. We cannot forget that IMO.

That’s a challenge you should have welcomed, not feared and been angered by.

[Hexenbiest]

They were holding no cards they not only said they wouldn’t fight but also wouldn’t budge diplomatically knowing A. Ukraine wasn’t in anyway ready to join NATO and B. That Russia was going to invade any day. We know this because the president has been running around the last two weeks like a crack head daily saying Invasion imminent, invasion imminent.

The people of the Ukraine die now because of those two groups of arrogant elitists.

[Hexenbiest]

Do you think they get a say?

[Cratic3947]

@Hexenbiest

They were holding no cards they not only said they wouldn’t fight but also wouldn’t budge diplomatically knowing A. Ukraine wasn’t in anyway ready to join NATO and B. That Russia was going to invade any day. We know this because the president has been running around the last two weeks like a crack head daily saying Invasion imminent, invasion imminent.

The people of the Ukraine die now because of those two groups of arrogant elitists.

Reminds me of the death and chaos the Obama admin left in Libya… Yes, Hubris and arrogance.

[Cratic3947]

Why isn’t the Brandon admin going back to Trump energy policy to stabilize oil prices? That’s making Putin stronger also. It’s the first thing they should have done to weaken Russia.

[conan]

And we have a choice too.

[PurpnGold]

And that’s their fault? How?

[conan]

What…At American expense?