“Negotiating” may be what the media is calling it, but term is “sue for peace.” It is usually initiated by the losing party in an attempt to stave off an unconditional surrender. I guess we will see how interested Putin is in cutting his losses by taking the win rather than getting even with Zelensky for having the hutzpah to fight rather than flee, by destroying the whole country and killing as many civilians as he can.
Yeah he kinda is. Many conservatives here are saying that- adding horrific apologias for Putin’s unilateral invasion using the same gaslighting arguments of Putin that Ukraine is filled with Nazis, that Ukraine made Russia do it by flirting with joining NATO, etc.
And others are saying we should never ever help the Ukrainians with their fight against Russia. That it would be better if Ukraine surrendered immediately to “save lives” etc. I am wondering what they would think if a foreign country attacked America and leveled a city the size of Minneapolis. Surrender?
I discount their artillery and air force because I see no reports of it’s offensive effectiveness or significant use. The Ukrainians trumpet even the smallest tactical success, but nothing about their artillery or air forces. I see effective small unit tactics on their part and a lot of gross incompetence on the Russian force’s part up to this point. But the Russian artillery has been very effective. And they are using it exactly the way they always have, massed fires. And offensive operations are much harder than defensive operations. The Ukrainian Army has been training very hard to defend their land, but not to launch major offensives. They will require massing of stores, munitions and fuel and concentration of force to achieve a 3-1 advantage, at a minimum, at the point of attack. Where along their defensive lines are they able to pull forces to mass for the attack without the Russian’s detecting the movement?
That is ok, please do not follow me on that. It seems that months ago Zskyy may have been able to negotiate by not pushing NATO. Actually I agree with him that most of those countries did not help him much. At least they are taking refugees.
@Axxowiz has family there. I listen to @Axxowiz more than media and arm chair commandos. Samm there is more than meets the eye.
How many folks are here regularly- about 12 conservatives and 10 libs?
Yeah I’d say most of the conservatives here blame the war on “NATO expansionism”- I could name 7-8 off the top of my head. And there’s only a few conservatives here who think Putin is the main culprit- Samm being the main one.
And then you have about 5 completely off the rails conflating Ukraine/Zelensky with Nazis/Azov.
Honestly if you look it at it from a partisan perspective (and not just a forum perspective) there is a Trump/Tucker/Greene wing that is isolationist and plays nice with Putin. There is a much larger conservative group that overtly supports Ukraine against Putin- that would be McCarthy, McConell et al.
Here on the forum it is reversed where the isolationist wing is ascendant. But the GOP generally is very supportive if not more hawkish about supporting Ukraine.