Using Government to Force

[TheDoctorIsIn]

What a shame. I thought we were actually going to discuss game theory in this thread.

[Kevhead]

@WuWei

From where does the idea that an employer owes us something come from? Where does the idea that we should use government to force them to give it to us come from? This are serious questions.

Does a business not use government to advance their own interests when they can?

[JayJay]

@conan

But yet you didn’t answer mine.

You didn’t ask one.

[conan]

We’re done here then.

[JayJay]

@TheDoctorIsIn

What a shame. I thought we were actually going to discuss game theory in this thread.

True.

We seem to be going down this side path that somehow employing the government level is somehow “cheating” the game.

[JayJay]

@conan

We’re done here then.

Why?

If you asked a question somewhere, I missed it. Show me where you asked it.

Your first post in this thread was an informative statement describing how you managed without government assistance. Your second post equated using the levers of government as “gaming the system”.

Neither was a question and it was at this point I asked my question.

Is there a post of yours somewhere else that I missed?

[highroller]

I agree, people in society should not use government to force others to pay for their own mistakes. Unfortunately for me, the government bailouts killed that person when they let the rich survive the 2008 depression.

You can’t have socialism for the rich and capitalism for the poor.

[occu]

Employers owe their employees their agreed upon contract, wages, and benefits or lack thereof.

The government can set regulations because there were bad employers that put money ahead of safety, their interests above others.

[JayJay]

Re: The OPer.

Game theory is nothing more than mathematical models that attempt to explain strategic interactions between rational decision-makers.

Why do you think it would inform your views of government?

[mobulis]

@WuWei

From where does the idea that an employer owes us something come from? Where does the idea that we should use government to force them to give it to us come from? This are serious questions.

As you can see, I have embraced game theory. What’s in my best interest? That’s all that matters.

I am your employer. You want something from me. Why do you think you get to use government as a weapon?

To level the playing field.

[Samson_Corwell]

@WuWei

From where does the idea that an employer owes us something come from? Where does the idea that we should use government to force them to give it to us come from? This are serious questions.

As you can see, I have embraced game theory. What’s in my best interest? That’s all that matters.

I am your employer. You want something from me. Why do you think you get to use government as a weapon?

Game theory is not prescriptive/proscriptive.

[Cratic3947]

As far as I know Health care as a benefit comes from WW2 when FDR implemented wage controls, so employers had to find other ways to attract workers. It’s the worst system. Insulating the user from it’s cost causes massive inflation as we’ve seen.

FDR also implemented withholding of income tax and payroll taxes. That should have ended after the war.

[Samson_Corwell]

@gooddad409

@WuWei

@gooddad409

I would say it comes from envy and greed. They want to transfer money from your pocket to theirs via who they vote for.

It seems so. I am the employer, if you want healthcare or a higher wage, show it is in my best interest to give it.

If you can’t, why do you get to use government force?

You don’t get to in my book. We weren’t raised to think like that in my day.

You think that you can use government to enforce debt obligation. I assume you also believe you can use government to award you damages for IP infringement.

[WuWei]

@TheDoctorIsIn

@WuWei

As you can see, I have embraced game theory. What’s in my best interest? That’s all that matters.

I am your employer. You want something from me. Why do you think you get to use government as a weapon?

Because in your hypothetical, it’s in my best interest to do so.

Good answer. What will you do when I close the doors?

[TheDoctorIsIn]

@WuWei

Good answer. What will you do when I close the doors?

Find another job, probably.

Is it in your best interest to shutter your business rather than pay for health insurance, or whatever else it is that I “want”?

[WuWei]

@JayJay

@WuWei

From where does the idea that an employer owes us something come from? Where does the idea that we should use government to force them to give it to us come from? This are serious questions.

As you can see, I have embraced game theory. What’s in my best interest? That’s all that matters.

I am your employer. You want something from me. Why do you think you get to use government as a weapon?

Why is using government as part advancing one’s best interest any different than using any other type of power to advance self interest?

The very notion of private property is one founded on the use of force anyhow.

Why is your property your property?

Much of the “property” in this country belonged to people here before us.

It doesn’t any longer. Why not?

Great question. Because every other type of force is not final.

Founded on force from where?

Because I bought it from the previous owner.

No it didn’t.

[WuWei]

@TheDoctorIsIn

No…

Is using the system against the rules of this “game”?

Yes…

[TheDoctorIsIn]

How so?

[WuWei]

@SoCarolinaLiberal

This is an easy question to answer… government grants the business licenses to businesses. Without that license, that entity can not be in business. Further, govt is “we the people” so we people can force businesses to do things (pass laws and regulations) that would be for the common good. If it turns out that the plurality or votes dictate health care to be provided by your business then you have to oblige. Realistically, all businesses should be FOR Medicare for all as it takes the burden of health care off the employer. But whatever.

What delegated authority does government to grant business licenses? What is the purpose of that system?

The rest of that post is cute.

[WuWei]

@Kevhead

@WuWei

From where does the idea that an employer owes us something come from? Where does the idea that we should use government to force them to give it to us come from? This are serious questions.

Does a business not use government to advance their own interests when they can?

Good question. Can you provide an example of how I would do that to my employees?