Using Government to Force

[TheDoctorIsIn]

Ok.

[WuWei]

@Samson_Corwell

@DMK

@occu

Fire the workers who put your business at risk.

Demanding more than I can pay be it a hike in minimum wages, or wages + healthcare, wages + healthcare + required leave does put my business at risk.

Right, which is why there are limits to what we can ask of businesses.

Who decides?

[WuWei]

@Jezcoe

@CanadianJudo

Yes companies don’t care about safety, which is why self regulation is stupid.

My business doesn’t give a crap about safety.

#safetyforsarah

How many movies are filmed where nobody dies?

[Jezcoe]

@WuWei

@Jezcoe

@CanadianJudo

Yes companies don’t care about safety, which is why self regulation is stupid.

My business doesn’t give a crap about safety.

#safetyforsarah

How many movies are filmed where nobody dies?

I have never been on one where no one gets hurt.

And… no one should die because they are making a movie.

[WuWei]

@CanadianJudo

Neither does mine Iv straight up told my crew bosses I’m not doing something like two dozen separate times and that I would tell the shift supervisor.

What do you do?

[WuWei]

@Jezcoe

@WuWei

@Jezcoe

@WuWei

It’s your history.

Why do you need a collective to defend you?

It is all of our history.

It’s great having an organization that can do the things of fighting for my interests.

Doesn’t even cost me that much.

It’s great.

Missed the point. You were never abused on a job. Your history is the same with or without a union.

Why do you need a collective to defend you?

I have had abusive jobs before, in the industry that I work in.

I left those jobs.

Before I joined a Union, I benefited from there being one. I enjoyed many of the protections that have been fought for for over a hundred years now.

Since I have joined a Union, my take home pay has increased 25%, I have a good health care plan, I have a pension, and I have the legal backing of an organization if there is ever a dispute.

So it is clearly in my best interest.

“Abuses”? Like what?

Why do you need a collective to defend you?

[Jezcoe]

@WuWei

@Jezcoe

@WuWei

@Jezcoe

@WuWei

It’s your history.

Why do you need a collective to defend you?

It is all of our history.

It’s great having an organization that can do the things of fighting for my interests.

Doesn’t even cost me that much.

It’s great.

Missed the point. You were never abused on a job. Your history is the same with or without a union.

Why do you need a collective to defend you?

I have had abusive jobs before, in the industry that I work in.

I left those jobs.

Before I joined a Union, I benefited from there being one. I enjoyed many of the protections that have been fought for for over a hundred years now.

Since I have joined a Union, my take home pay has increased 25%, I have a good health care plan, I have a pension, and I have the legal backing of an organization if there is ever a dispute.

So it is clearly in my best interest.

“Abuses”? Like what?

Why do you need a collective to defend you?

I was working at a theater in Virginia making $250 a week, pulling 60 hour weeks and making no overtime.

And my boss was a ■■■■■■■■

Lasted about a year and a half.

And As stated before.

Joining the Union has been clearly in my own self interest.

[WuWei]

@Jezcoe

@WuWei

@Jezcoe

@CanadianJudo

Yes companies don’t care about safety, which is why self regulation is stupid.

My business doesn’t give a crap about safety.

#safetyforsarah

How many movies are filmed where nobody dies?

I have never been on one where no one gets hurt.

And… no one should die because they are making a movie.

Why do you stay in such a horrible place.

No one should ever die.

[WuWei]

@Jezcoe

@WuWei

@Jezcoe

@WuWei

@Jezcoe

@WuWei

It’s your history.

Why do you need a collective to defend you?

It is all of our history.

It’s great having an organization that can do the things of fighting for my interests.

Doesn’t even cost me that much.

It’s great.

Missed the point. You were never abused on a job. Your history is the same with or without a union.

Why do you need a collective to defend you?

I have had abusive jobs before, in the industry that I work in.

I left those jobs.

Before I joined a Union, I benefited from there being one. I enjoyed many of the protections that have been fought for for over a hundred years now.

Since I have joined a Union, my take home pay has increased 25%, I have a good health care plan, I have a pension, and I have the legal backing of an organization if there is ever a dispute.

So it is clearly in my best interest.

“Abuses”? Like what?

Why do you need a collective to defend you?

I was working at a theater in Virginia making $250 a week, pulling 60 hour weeks and making no overtime.

And my boss was a ■■■■■■■■

Lasted about a year and a half.

And As stated before.

Joining the Union has been clearly in my own self interest.

That’s not abuse, you agreed to it.

[WuWei]

@Jezcoe

Joining the Union has been clearly in my own self interest.

Why do you need the government?

[occu]

the formatting of this site bugs me sometime, im going to reply to all your questions though i like this discussion, although i hope you will spell out your position a little more clear instead of just asking questions.

“So you need the government to…” enforce fair labor laws and safety rules when there are disagreements between employers and employees. same with lawsuit rulings.

“what employer?” i was more or less referring to the union fights against the hired strike busters. the murder of Frank Steunenberg comes to mind, but he was a governor.

“who are you to characterize a good or bad owner?” an employee that has had a good boss and an employee that had a bad boss.

“do you have a 401k?” yeah it keeps growing too.

“safety rules by whom?” where i work before any safety or work practice rules can be changed it has to go through a review process by a safety committee of salary and hourly employees. people die from not following procedures. our workers know the procedures inside and out compared to our managers, so there have been times we have been told not to shut down a line, or not close a valve because of time, money, and or a managers inexperience. thankfully we cannot be disciplined for refusing to follow an unsafe order from our boss.

if im reading your posts right though, if it was your company and your equipment then your interests are first. who cares if a guy loses his arm so as long as you get yours?

[WuWei]

@occu

“do you have a 401k?” yeah it keeps growing too.

Do you have any idea what those companies are doing so you can “grow”?

[WuWei]

@occu

enforce fair labor laws and safety rules when there are disagreements between employers and employees. same with lawsuit rulings.

Then why do you need the union?

“Fair” is in the eye of the winner.

[WuWei]

@occu

if im reading your posts right though, if it was your company and your equipment then your interests are first. who cares if a guy loses his arm so as long as you get yours?

That’s right, my company and equipment. I care. The government doesn’t.

Who cares more than the worker with his arm next to the machine?

[WuWei]

@occu

“who are you to characterize a good or bad owner?” an employee that has had a good boss and an employee that had a bad boss.

What do you know about being an owner?

[occu]

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What do you know about being an owner?
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I own alot of stuff, you get what you pay for and you maintain it.

Speaking of maintain I gotta try and lose weight I’m heading to the gym I will reply later.

[WuWei]

I can see you’re done. Good night.

[occu]

I’m still up for a discussion I keep answering your questions honestly and politely.

[WuWei]

@occu

I’m still up for a discussion I keep answering your questions honestly and politely.

I own alot of stuff, you get what you pay for and you maintain it.

Speaking of maintain I gotta try and lose weight I’m heading to the gym I will reply later.

[Samson_Corwell]

@WuWei

@Samson_Corwell

@DMK

@occu

Fire the workers who put your business at risk.

Demanding more than I can pay be it a hike in minimum wages, or wages + healthcare, wages + healthcare + required leave does put my business at risk.

Right, which is why there are limits to what we can ask of businesses.

Who decides?

In an ideal world, I would, but since an ideal world is only an idea, political authorities that are constrained using constitutions, structures that create balances, and elections.