WuWei
May 12, 2020, 12:55pm
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Scratch:
Exactly…
So what expert told them a bump stock turns a rifle into a machine gun?
No idea…haven’t followed it. But the stocks can bring a rate of fire to over 400+ rounds a minute. Doesn’t really take an expert to conclude that that makes it a machine gun.
Its ok you can admit it makes it a machine gun…everyone is wrong at some point
WuWei
May 12, 2020, 1:13pm
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Rate of fire is not the defining characteristic of a “machine gun”. Rate of fire can be adjusted.
Does it improve a semi to have a rate of fire like a machine gun?
WuWei
May 12, 2020, 1:17pm
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Depends on the mission. I carried a weapon capable of auto fire for years, know how many times I used it?
Don’t dodge…does it give it the same capability?
WuWei
May 12, 2020, 1:19pm
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No. And it isn’t a dodge.
How do you figure…its ups the rate to 400-800 a minute. Same as AK and M 16. Can a person with a semi fire that many rounds a minute? And I dont mean theoretically if he could pull the trigger that fast.
GWH
May 12, 2020, 1:21pm
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Safiel:
WuWei:
Safiel:
WuWei:
Mmmmmmm
The Supreme Court and every Court of Appeals, from the time that machine guns were invented, have ruled that they are dangerous and unusual weapons and beyond the scope of the Second Amendment.
That ain’t going to change, even if you put 9 strict constructionist conservatives on the Supreme Court.
Well, I don’t think that’s true. Since they used machine guns, I can get a bump stock with a Class III license and paying the fee?
They are wrong about the mechanics. A bump stock does not change the trigger mechanics.
When using a bump stock, when you pull the trigger on the first round and then maintain your finger in position over the trigger, the recoil of the weapon pushes the weapon trigger back against your finger, firing the second and subsequent rounds without necessity to physically squeeze the trigger. A firing chain is thus started which does not terminate until either you remove your finger or the ammo is exhausted.
It is the recoil of the weapon, not the conscious operation of the trigger, that fires the second and subsequent rounds. Thus, only one conscious pull of the trigger is required to fire multiple rounds sequentially. The entire chain of operation of the firearm must be considered, not just the trigger mechanism in isolation.
That capability establishes that it is a part capable of converting a weapon to machine gun as defined by the statute.
So does my belt loop. Ban belt loops?
WuWei
May 12, 2020, 2:04pm
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Why does that impress you?
Increasing the rate of fire does not give a rifle the same capability (your word) as a “machine gun”.
How doesn’t it? Other than not being belt fed.
WuWei
May 12, 2020, 2:09pm
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I’m not giving you a class. Go sign up, they get paid to teach.
Why the caveat?
Not all machine guns are belt fed…
WuWei
May 12, 2020, 2:11pm
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Nor did I say they are. Are you sure?
WuWei
May 12, 2020, 2:25pm
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Scratch:
Yes I’m sure…
Ok, as long as you are sure. Didn’t sound like it. Can you provide an example?
