UK woman arrested for video of empty hospital amid new lockdowns

[WildRose]

How is this in any way still unclear to you?

The entire hospital is not a private area.

[Oryx]

@WildRose

How is this in any way still unclear to you?

The entire hospital is not a private area.

That part is not unclear to me. The dispute we seem to be having is that I think hospitals have the right to institute rules to prevent people from filming anywhere inside the building without permission, and you say they can’t.

[WildRose]

Well no, the SCOTUS says otherwise.

The entire hospital is not a private area.

If The Public has free access and can come and go as they please it’s not private by any definition.

[Liberty323]

@Oryx

@DougBH

How many patients were shown in the video? I saw no “distressed” or “harassed” patients. In fact, that was the point of the video.
Deceitful? Maybe. Then expose, don’t ban it.

You can’t just let people into hospitals to wander around with cameras and trust them that they won’t film people. Would you be okay with that if you were in the hospital?

So you advocate phones to be collected at the door when entering a hospital?

[Oryx]

@Liberty323

So you advocate phones to be collected at the door when entering a hospital?

No, hospitals can grant permission to film inside, and in most cases I assume they allow it. No one cares if you take photos of your new baby or film your grandpa (with his permission).

[WildRose]

Yet that isn’t what you said above, you said they bar filming of patients.

You’re all over the place here.

[Oryx]

@WildRose

Yet that isn’t what you said above, you said they bar filming of patients.

I’ve stated that hospitals bar filming “without permission” several times in this thread. Permission is the key.

[Liberty323]

@Oryx

@Liberty323

So you advocate phones to be collected at the door when entering a hospital?

No, hospitals can grant permission to film inside, and in most cases I assume they allow it. No one cares if you take photos of your new baby or film your grandpa (with his permission).

But how would they know I’m filming my new baby or grandpa? I might be going in there with my phone to film empty hallways.

[Oryx]

@Liberty323

But how would they know I’m filming my new baby or grandpa? I might be going in there with my phone to film empty hallways.

They would observe your behavior.

[Liberty323]

@Oryx

@Liberty323

But how would they know I’m filming my new baby or grandpa? I might be going in there with my phone to film empty hallways.

They would observe your behavior.

Come on, you’re just trolling haha. I could easily walk down the hallway with my phone up, shooting video and acting as if I’m texting someone. Nobody in this “COVID!!1!! 6 FEET BACK!!!” society of lemmings is going to dare peek over my shoulder to see if I’m actually texting.

[Oryx]

@Liberty323

Come on, you’re just trolling haha. I could easily walk down the hallway with my phone up, shooting video and acting as if I’m texting someone. Nobody in this “COVID!!1!! 6 FEET BACK!!!” society of lemmings is going to dare peek over my shoulder to see if I’m actually texting.

Okay, then in that scenario you’ve successfully broken the law, or at least the hospital’s rules.

[WildRose]

You stated flatly that filming wasn’t allowed in hospitals and I showed how ridiculous and ludicrous the statement was.

You stated we can’t just let people into hospitals with cameras and trust they won’t video patients and I point out how equally ridiculous and ludicrous the statement was.

When discussing public access areas you repeatedly tried to deflect to treatment rooms and hospital rooms again and again where there is no question of privacy.

You tried to claim the gal in the UK violated the law filming people without permission in spite of the fact no patients or staff appear on the video. Then then repeatedly claim she violated the law but cannot cite any law that she violated.

Your entire argument one is one of reflexive emotion and scatter gunning it from start to finish and frankly it should be embarrassing.

[WildRose]

Cite the laws and or “rules”.

[WildRose]

Nobody needs “permission” in public access areas as per SCOTUS.

[Oryx]

@WildRose

You stated flatly that filming wasn’t allowed in hospitals and I showed how ridiculous and ludicrous the statement was.

My contention all along has been that you can’t film in hospitals without permission, not that you can’t film period.

@WildRose

When discussing public access areas you repeatedly tried to deflect to treatment rooms and hospital rooms again and again where there is no question of privacy.

I don’t think this is a deflection. Private areas and rooms are the reason that hospitals can prevent people from filming inside.

@WildRose

You tried to claim the gal in the UK violated the law filming people without permission in spite of the fact no patients or staff appear on the video. Then then repeatedly claim she violated the law but cannot cite any law that she violated.

I claim that she did not have the hospital’s permission to film, which led to a “public order offence,” according to the article in the OP.

@WildRose

Your entire argument one is one of reflexive emotion and scatter gunning it from start to finish and frankly it should be embarrassing.

Almost all of your replies to me include personal attacks.

[Oryx]

@WildRose

Cite the laws and or “rules”.

It’s in the article in the OP.

[WildRose]

@Oryx

@WildRose

I’ve seen literally thousands of youtube videos taken of patients being treated, delivering babies, celebrating birthdays and anniversaries in their rooms, or just of people in their rooms recovering.

You can’t film people without their permission. I’ve posted that several times.

@Oryx

@WildRose

We do so millions of times every day, every time someone walks in with a cell phone.

We don’t let them film patients.

@Oryx

@Bill.in.PA

China has similar laws.

So does the United States. You can’t film people in the hospital without their permission, which I’m sure you agree with.

No it isn’t. She was arrested on a BS charge that in no way addresses what she was doing.

[WildRose]

Your own words.

@Oryx

@WildRose

We do so millions of times every day, every time someone walks in with a cell phone.

We don’t let them film patients.

@Oryx

@DougBH

How many patients were shown in the video? I saw no “distressed” or “harassed” patients. In fact, that was the point of the video.
Deceitful? Maybe. Then expose, don’t ban it.

You can’t just let people into hospitals to wander around with cameras and trust them that they won’t film people. Would you be okay with that if you were in the hospital?

None of my posts are personal attacks, they specifically address the substance, lack thereof, or inaccuracies and duplicity of your statements.

You don’t need anyone’s permission to record in public areas including in public areas in a hospital.

[Oryx]

@WildRose

You don’t need anyone’s permission to record in public areas including in public areas in a hospital.

I disagree, and in this case you’re demonstrably wrong. But I guess we won’t know for sure until the case plays out in court.

[mobiusptc]

@Oryx

you’re demonstrably wrong

2021 starting on a very very very familiar stance.

It’s nice to have stability