UK patients waiting more than 1,000 days for routine surgery

Ummm…please point to where I said it was all profit. Obviously, there are costs to administering their racketeering.

Okay np

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Don’t worry, Canada has the answer for these wait times.

They can get you in for that right away.

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Can’t have good, fast, and cheap healthcare. Weak leaders make things worse when they try for all three.

Unless something drastic changes, a first-world system is just gonna be a thing that eats up budgets. It costs what it costs.

The billions we spend on healthcare for illegals should be deducted from the foreign aid we provide to Mexico. Not that it would make too much of a dent in payback.

https://www.voanews.com/a/us-announces-20-million-aid-package-for-central-america-mexico-/6272768.html#:~:text=The%20U.S.%20has%20provided%20more,vulnerable%20migrants%20in%20the%20region."

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We already have 2 socialized medical systems here and they both provide the same substandard service as the European systems. The VA and the IHS (Indian Health Services) both suffer from delays in treatment.

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There is no doubt that the NHS is going to have to evolve. Due in large part to an increasingly aged population which is no longer working and living longer therefore they are not making National Insurance contributions. Plus the cost of medical care and treatment is more advanced and therefore more expensive. Neither of which were envisioned when the NHS was created.

My own brother was failed by the NHS and died last year from prostate cancer. A combination of his GP being useless and delays in medical treatment due to Covid in 2021 and wait times. But at its core the NHS still provides an amazing service.

Middle management needs to be stripped out and a form of copay system introduced to add additional funding. For example a ÂŁ10 copay for each doctors medical visit. Exemptions such as those under 16 could be included.

There are immense benefits to the NHS. All prescriptions are fixed at approximately $11.00 (ÂŁ9.35) and no one goes bankrupt over medical bills. I was in an accident, had to be airlifted to hospital, spent 4 weeks in ICU, 2 years of rehab and while I was recuperating did not have to worry about $1 in medical bills.

Most developed nations restrict what pharmaceutical companies can charge for drugs so its the US consumer who is then gouged to make up the difference (as much as they can).

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The chart is from the Financial Times but is behind a paywall, and, as stated on the chart itself, the data is indexed to Jan 2009.

It shows the same same trend as the charts you show, that under the current Conservative government, waiting times are increasing. Whereas under the previous Labour goverment they were falling.

GPs are overpaid and overrated IMO.

Frontline NHS staff are saints, i have no idea how they are coping ATM.

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Which is weird, because the NHS polls better than the monarchy. With such clear support from the people, you’d think the NHS would be priority #1

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Its a big part of the reason Labour has a 20% lead in the polls

I think this is more expanding fall out from Brexit.

Sure. Just another $trillion. Or 5.

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How does a free market handle a flood of demand?

a Get more money by raising prices?
or
b do nothing for three years and hope magic money appears from the electoral sky?

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c special galoshes mandate

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LOL my point is that if more money is needed, (and that appears to be the interim case in the UK) then the free market and socialism each provide more money.

One does so without delay.

I think another poster was right on the money.

With every single healthcare system (whether single payer or pure market force) in the developed world we are seeing the same problems.

And I think those problems stem from these programs mostly being designed in the 1940s.

They were ready for the population expansion. But they failed to think of the possibility that population growth might slow and the population age. Even more importantly that they would live about 15-20 years longer than people of the 1940s did on average.

I think that is a potential cause. These systems need a fundamental rethink because if you had told someone in 1947 in America that the average man would live past 77 as an AVERAGE they would have called you crazy and put you in a nut house.

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That explains why so many Indian, Pakistani and Bangladeshi doctors emigrate to the US to practice rather than Great Britain even though they enjoy Commonwealth status with that country.

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source:

No- they are not.