U.S. issues warning on airspace near Gulf as Iran tensions simmer

calirepub · 2019-05-18T17:08:16.658Z

Axxowiz:

And if Trump starts a war in Iran I officially wash my hands of him. The no new war president was one of the few things he has going for him.

What if it’s not his fault? If, through posturing, Iran sinks one of our ships or downs one of our aircraft, we would necessarily respond militarily.

Axxowiz · 2019-05-18T17:15:18.167Z

If our ships are fired on they should destroy the threat I mean like a full out war like Iraq, not a skirmish.

calirepub · 2019-05-18T17:20:03.793Z

Axxowiz:

If our ships are fired on they should destroy the threat I mean like a full out war like Iraq, not a skirmish.

That seems to be where we’re headed. Hopefully everyone has steady hands, but accidents happen when tensions are high. Bolton wants regime change, and sanctions aren’t working. We might have to accomplish this goal Iraq style.

calirepub · 2019-05-18T17:21:55.189Z

If I was being nefarious I might suggest Bolton/Trump is intentionally sending troops into the area to provoke Iran into war. It’s almost like those American lives are the sacrifice needed to get the war that certain people want.

SixFoot · 2019-05-18T17:41:38.358Z

Iraq was cat and mouse games. There was nothing full out war about it.

Well, full out stupidity, maybe, but not war.

CaughtInTheMiddle · 2019-05-18T17:47:56.613Z

SixFoot:

Iraq was cat and mouse games. There was nothing full out war about it.

Well, full out stupidity, maybe, but not war.

Especially if all out war means indesiminate killing of civilians.

SixFoot · 2019-05-18T17:48:44.865Z

All combat operations involve dead civilians. One of many reasons to save it for last.

CaughtInTheMiddle · 2019-05-18T17:53:58.490Z

SixFoot:

All combat operations involve dead civilians. One of many reasons to save it for last.

Don’t go down that path. There are different kinds of war. Just because 100 civilians get killed in one war and a million in another doesn’t mean they’re the same thing.

Your ex military correct?

SixFoot · 2019-05-18T17:58:18.529Z

I speak from a Combat Infantryman’s perspective. Take that knowledge for what it’s worth.

calirepub · 2019-05-18T18:14:04.023Z

If we’re going to take Iran we need to do it like Daenerys took King’s Landing.

7ranz · 2019-05-18T18:26:45.890Z

The empire is hungry.

WuWei · 2019-05-18T18:27:20.419Z

NuffSaid:

flexing his fat

five points

WuWei · 2019-05-18T18:28:07.787Z

CaughtInTheMiddle:

SixFoot:

All combat operations involve dead civilians. One of many reasons to save it for last.

Don’t go down that path. There are different kinds of war. Just because 100 civilians get killed in one war and a million in another doesn’t mean they’re the same thing.

Your ex military correct?

He’s right. You’re wrong.

7ranz · 2019-05-18T18:28:55.341Z

Going after Iran and Venezuala isn’t very subtle.

SixFoot · 2019-05-18T18:34:13.942Z

In other news regarding the geopolitical shifts in motion:

Yahoo News

Taiwan says China has stepped up infiltration efforts

Tsai, speaking to reporters after a national security meeting, said China's influence operations included attempts to interfere with elections and fake news campaigns. Tsai also said Taiwan would deter military aggression in the Taiwan Strait,...

“TAIPEI (Reuters) - Taiwan President Tsai Ing-wen said on Friday that China has stepped up efforts to infiltrate and gain influence in the self-ruled and democratic island, and asked national security agencies to counter the campaign.”

If everyone ends up getting the lands they’ve been eyeballing, I’m just gonna have to Crimea River.

Plasmaball · 2019-05-18T18:50:49.914Z

If it wasn’t Bolton I’d agree with you

WuWei · 2019-05-18T19:40:51.854Z

Plasmaball:

If it wasn’t Bolton I’d agree with you

Since when does Trump listen to his advisers? He already said he makes his own decisions.

johnrandolph · 2019-05-18T23:12:28.505Z

CaughtInTheMiddle:

Reuters | Breaking International News & Views

“The advisory, issued by the FAA on Thursday and circulated late on Friday, said the warning came amidst “heightened military activities and increased political tensions in the region which present an increasing inadvertent risk to U.S. civil aviation operations due to the potential for miscalculation or mis-identification”.”

So basically stay out of the way or we may accidentally shoot you down.

I think South Korea must be pissed. We’re moving on Iran ( ) while North Korea gets a pass.

Who knows what’s happening. Trump/Bolton won’t tell us. Iran says they’re being bullied. Who knows if Trump now trusts our Intelligence Community.

Would be nice to know the reason if Trump sends some of our soldiers to their deaths. Their families probably want to know what’s up.

South Korea? Pissed? They just want the US out of the way for their rapprochement.

Just another leadup to the 2019 version of the Gulf of Tonkin “incident”

TheRedComet · 2019-05-18T23:30:20.764Z

Civilians always get caught in the crossfire.

An opponent on the defensive often gets to choose the time and place of a battle. An opponent who is at a material disadvantage will attempt to maximize their advantages in any way they can.

Fighting in built up urban areas gives a non mechanized military force more options for inflicting casualties on the offensive mechanized force, as it limits their maneuverability and visibility on the battlefield. Civilians live in built up areas. As a consequence civilians will always get caught in the crossfire as both sides attempt to flank the other and take buildings and streets.

It’s not right or wrong. It just is what it is.

calirepub · 2019-05-18T23:35:54.042Z

I don’t think S. Korea is really looking for the United States to start a war in their region. Their capital is going to get destroyed in any such conflict.

I served in Uijongbu. We regularly joked about how we served as a speed bump for N. Korea so that if they dared to do something It would only served to draw the American government into war if N. Korea because they dared to mess with our miniscule force presence.