Two FDA officials quit in protest over COVID vaccine reviews

SottoVoce · 2021-08-31T22:42:19.696Z

Bill.in.PA:

Retribution will be sure and swift if they come out publicly against the White House or drug companies. Any career beyond the FDA will be over since the drug companies and the government control all the funding.

One is retiring. What retribution would she face?

Bill.in.PA · 2021-08-31T22:45:05.031Z

The decisions need to consider economics and risk management, which may include political considerations.

On the other hand, approving vaccines strictly based political considerations could end in disaster. That appears to be where we are headed.

If Trump had done anything close to this, the media would have been screaming murder with Biden leading the lynch mob.

Camp · 2021-08-31T22:52:43.768Z

It does appear they are winging it with booster shots.

Anything more than one a year sends up a warning flag for me.

SixFoot · 2021-08-31T23:14:26.228Z

Rats are jumping ship. lol

Ben_Natuf · 2021-08-31T23:16:54.108Z

timesofisrael.com

Among older Israelis, serious COVID rate six times as high if unvaccinated

As government desperately tries to galvanize 1.1 million who are spurning vaccine, data shows that severe cases also far higher among younger people if they aren't inoculated

you may want to update

fallenturtle · 2021-08-31T23:43:24.557Z

Bill.in.PA:

“A former senior FDA leader told Endpoints that they’re departing because they’re frustrated that CDC and their ACIP committee are involved in decisions that they think should be up to the FDA . The former FDAer also said he’s heard they’re upset with CBER director Peter Marks for not insisting that those decisions should be kept inside FDA. What finally did it for them was the White House getting ahead of FDA on booster shots.”

ZeroHedge

Should political considerations from the White House override FDA review of safety and effectiveness of COVID vaccines?

Joe Biden already answered this question, and I agree with him, but apparently his concerns only applied with Donald Trump was in the White House:

“One thing is certain. We can’t allow politics to interfere with the vaccines in anyway . . .” --Joe Biden

See video starting at 1:10
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aqhWQcBYso

Why post Zerohedge and not the Bloomberg and Endpoints articles? It’s like if the sky were falling and you posted Chicken Little’s blog instead of an announcement from NASA or Astronomy Magazine.

fallenturtle · 2021-08-31T23:46:42.955Z

I like watching as the headlines change:
Biocentury: Top FDA vaccine regulators Gruber, Krause, stepping down
Bloomberg: Two FDA Vaccine Officials to Leave After Covid Clearances
Endpoints News: BREAKING: In a major blow to vaccine efforts, senior FDA leaders stepping down
Zerohedge: Two Senior FDA Officials Stepping Down Over Reported Disagreements With White House Over Booster Shots
Thread Title: Two FDA officials quit in protest over COVID vaccine reviews

fallenturtle · 2021-08-31T23:50:21.526Z

Bill.in.PA:

The decisions need to consider economics and risk management, which may include political considerations.

On the other hand, approving vaccines strictly based political considerations could end in disaster. That appears to be where we are headed.

how do you know they aren’t considering economics and risk management?

JayJay · 2021-09-01T00:01:08.433Z

Ben_Natuf:

https://www.timesofisrael.com/among-older-israelis-serious-covid-rate-six-times-higher-if-unvaccinated/

you may want to update

You do realize your article is a bigger problem for the OPers arguments than for any I have made.

Konssurvative1 · 2021-09-01T00:11:42.555Z

Politicians should never be making medical or Health Care decisions. Look how bad they ■■■■■■ up with Obama Care.

Bill.in.PA · 2021-09-01T00:30:09.939Z

If they come forward with criticism of the vaccine or the drug companies, expect that they will have zero opportunity for any further employment in their field. It would be a bit like a tobacco exec admitting that smoking causes cancer back in the 1950s.

If they a very vocal there is also the risk that Antifa will show up at their home and launch abuse and harassment while police watch and do nothing.

Dissidents must be punished.

Bill.in.PA · 2021-09-01T00:33:16.939Z

The links to Bloomberg and Endpoints are in the Zerohedge article if people want to read them.

Zerohedge does not have the paywalls found in many other sources.

SottoVoce · 2021-09-01T00:40:20.769Z

Bill.in.PA:

If they come forward with criticism of the vaccine or the drug companies, expect that they will have zero opportunity for any further employment in their field. It would be a bit like a tobacco exec admitting that smoking causes cancer back in the 1950s.

If they a very vocal there is also the risk that Antifa will show up at their home and launch abuse and harassment while police watch and do nothing.

Dissidents must be punished.

Uh sure. Or it’s just one person retiring and a another person deciding to move on for whatever reason.

A secret anonymous former FDA leader combined with Antifa and the fear of retribution forcing them to hide their real motivations! That is a lot more fun! Ungrounded speculation is exciting!

fallenturtle · 2021-09-01T00:41:59.205Z

Bill.in.PA:

The links to Bloomberg and Endpoints are in the Zerohedge article if people want to read them.

Zerohedge does not have the paywalls found in many other sources.

The Bloomberg and Endpoints articles aren’t behind pay walls. But I suppose this way has the potential to help Zerohedge’s advertisers and Zerohedge’s analytics. Joke’s on us as we unintentionally help yellow journalism.

Ben_Natuf · 2021-09-01T00:59:30.915Z

just correcting your math. and noting that 59% of new hospitalized patients in israel are fully vaccinated. (pfizer)

JayJay · 2021-09-01T12:28:15.683Z

Ben_Natuf:

just correcting your math. and noting that 59% of new hospitalized patients in israel are fully vaccinated. (pfizer)

Yes and it’s something to watch…but the rate of serious COVID amongst the unvaxxed in Israel is still much higher.

Vaccine is still doing its job at preventing serious COVID.

Bill.in.PA · 2021-09-01T12:30:11.973Z

Today’s yellow journalism is found in all the mainstream media who mindlessly repeated false narratives coming out of the FBI, CIA, and Democrat operatives.

Here are a few examples:

Russians planted Hunter’s laptop
Capitol policeman murdered by a fire extinguisher
Natural origin is the only explanation

fallenturtle · 2021-09-01T17:48:01.967Z

Bill.in.PA:

Russians planted Hunter’s laptop

Last I checked we still don’t know definitely the source of the laptop. Do you have a link to an article (not opinion piece) that flat out says the Russian’s planted it?

Bill.in.PA:

Capitol policeman murdered by a fire extinguisher

New York Times corrected the article. That’s one of the ways you can tell the difference between yellow and normal journalism… legit news outlets correct the stories as new information arises.

Bill.in.PA:

Natural origin is the only explanation

Scientific knowledge is not static.

Bill.in.PA · 2021-09-01T18:13:06.395Z

Yes, the truth eventually seeps months later when it is no longer politicly important. We may eventually find out the tens of thousands of young people have been seriously injured or killed as a result of the rushed COVID vaccine, but the news will take years to trickle out.

Most of the people never see the corrections, and many still believe the lies years later.

As far as the laptop hoax, it took almost six months for NPR to admit its mistake:

New York Post – 2 Apr 21

NPR issues stunning mea culpa after claiming Hunter Biden laptop story was...

National Public Radio has corrected an online article that falsely asserted that documents from first son Hunter Biden’s laptop had been “discredited by U.S. intelligence.” A book…

It took months for federal officials to admit that Officer Sicknick died of natural causes and admit that fire extinguisher story was false. It should have been obvious within hours of examining the body that there was no evidence of blunt trauma associated with the fire-extinguisher narrative. The FBI allowed the officer’s body to be cremated and then to lie in state in the Capitol; they were destroying evidence if they really believed he was murdered. Democrats even used the false narrative at the sham impeachment.

A key narrative about January 6 just collapsed Politics

The media claimed that Officer Sicknick was killed by blow from a fire extinguisher, but medical exams showed no evidence of a corresponding injury. Government officials have finally admitted that he died of natural causes from two strokes; this comes over two months after his body was cremated and buried. Federal prosecutors have used allegations of an armed, violent insurrection/terrorism to justify holding multiple suspects without out bond for months awaiting trials. Now we understand th…

As far as the natural-origin-is-the-only-explanation myth, it was pushed as “settled science” by most of the media and leftist “fact-checkers” based on opinions of scientists with business and professional connections to the Wuhan lab. It was only after the election and more than a year of coverups that the media finally admitted the truth.

New York Post – 3 Jun 21

Fauci finally admits COVID-19 may have come from a ‘lab leak’ after his...

Dr. Anthony Fauci rejected claims that he was warned last January that the coronavirus could have been “engineered,” instead blaming the reports on critics who “resent” him.

Politifact Forced to Pull ‘Fact-Check’ That “Debunked” Lab Leak Origin of COVID – Summit News

“The rules are simple: they lie to us, we know they’re lying, they know we know they’re lying, but they keep lying to us, and we keep pretending to believe them.”–Elena Gorokhova about Soviet media

fallenturtle · 2021-09-01T18:41:03.333Z

Bill.in.PA:

Yes, the truth eventually seeps months later when it is no longer politicly important. We may eventually find out the tens of thousands of young people have been seriously injured or killed as a result of the rushed COVID vaccine, but the news will take years to trickle out.

Most of the people never see the corrections, and many still believe the lies years later.

As far as the laptop hoax, it took six months for NPR to admit its mistake:
NPR issues stunning mea culpa after claiming Hunter Biden laptop story was ‘discredited’ by intelligence

It took months for federal officials to admit that Officer Sicknick died of natural causes and admit that fire extinguisher story was false. It should have been obvious within hours of examining the body that there was no evidence of blunt trauma associated with the fire-extinguisher narrative. The FBI allowed the officer’s body to be cremated and then to lie in state in the Capitol; they were destroying evidence if they really believed he was murdered. Democrats even used the false narrative at the sham impeachment.

A key narrative about January 6 just collapsed

As far as the natural-origin-is-the-only-explanation myth, it was pushed as “settled science” by most of the media and leftist “fact-checkers” based on opinions of scientists with business and professional connections to the Wuhan lab. It was only after the election and more than a year of coverups that the media finally admitted the truth.

Fauci finally admits COVID-19 may have come from a 'lab leak'
Politifact Forced to Pull ‘Fact-Check’ That “Debunked” Lab Leak Origin of COVID – Summit News

here’s NPR’s corrections page: NPR Corrections : NPR
here’s Politifact’s: PolitiFact | Corrections and Updates

I couldn’t find a corrections page on the NYP’s site or zerohedge’s. Can you?