Two American citizen arrested in Saudi Arabia for support woman rights

FloridaYankee · 2019-04-06T16:18:16.761Z

Snow96:

No they don’t. In my eye’s they are Saudi Citizens being held by the Saudi Government. They should have renounced citizen ship of one of the countries upon become a citizen of the other.

In YOUR eyes.

Among the very top priorities of the State Dept. is to ensure humane treatment of imprisoned citizens overseas and if possible, secure their release through diplomatic channels. Only as an advocate, not legal representation or prisoner swaps or any of the spy vs. spy stuff.

YOUR eyes are not the issue here, our foreign policy is. It doesn’t matter that you think stupidity should hurt, and I actually agree with that sentiment up to a point. It doesn’t matter that you don’t view them as US citizens either, from a legal standpoint, they have that standing. Quite simply, you are wrong.

Plasmaball · 2019-04-06T16:19:29.591Z

Acting stupid is throwing firecrackers in a cop car while the cop is sitting in there.

Not acting stupid is protesting in the nsme of women having equal rights…

tnt · 2019-04-06T16:21:05.008Z

Snow96:

They of all people should know the laws and customs of a country they are a citizen (dual) of.

Stupididy should hurt. These two will find that out.

Was is stupid when Rosa parks did her thing? When black americans sat at lunch counters? When MLK protested the laws of america?

When women took to the streets in america to get teh right to vote? Just a bunch of dumb broads?

Seriously, how could you possibly say that?

FloridaYankee · 2019-04-06T16:22:11.966Z

coolidge:

Nah not interested, they got into this mess on their own let them figure a way out.

See my previous post, it applies here as well.

Plasmaball · 2019-04-06T16:32:39.539Z

Thats the wrong hill.

Axxowiz · 2019-04-06T16:38:42.511Z

Oh I agree with you I am not a fan of SA either and I have seen more than a few presidents say something about SA while running for office, once in it all changes. It’s like they get a SA foreign policy memo with the keys to the White House.

Excast · 2019-04-06T16:41:08.797Z

Snow96:

You mean that stupidity should hurt?

I say that of anyone who breaks the law and gets caught that stupidity should hurt. Now don’t read too much into that.

Being a nation that rejects the idea of equality for women should hurt when it comes to dealing with the United States of America. But of course, as always, money talks.

Mountain_Soldier · 2019-04-06T16:42:33.050Z

CaughtInTheMiddle:

Mountain_Soldier:

CanadianJudo:

America use to be the country that would call out communism, fascism, everywhere in the world, what changed.

I guess the UN is rubbing off on us.

Silence from them on pretty much everything. Can’t offend the member states.

We lead in situations like this. Or we use to.

I thought taking cowboy diplomacy actions and shooting from the hip was frowned upon. I thought we were supposed to use the institutions available to us and get everyone together and sing kumbahyah and resolve everything without offending anyone. My how times have changed.

BlueHeron · 2019-04-06T16:43:18.616Z

Snow96:

They are not any other US citizen. They are also Citizens of that country that is holding them. Special circumstances. If they wanted complete US protection they should have renounced their other citizenship.

Having dual citizenship does not negate the fact that they are American Citizens and just as entitled to our nation’s protection. You will not find any law or ordinance stating an American with dual citizenship is a lesser citizen.

SimplyTrying · 2019-04-06T17:03:30.313Z

reflechissez:

Snow96:

Being stupid is probably going to hurt for these two.

Being dual citizens, they can expect full punishment from the Saudi Government as if they are Saudi Citizens. Not much the US can do about it.

Stupididy should hurt. These two will find that out.

You sound almost gleeful.

Remember that stupid Rosa Parks? How stupid to think things could change.

That’s just the way it is? No. That doesn’t work anymore.

SimplyTrying · 2019-04-06T17:06:27.163Z

Plasmaball:

Fighting for peoples rights isnt stupid.

See here is how you should have posted.

They are fighting the good fight but they should expect to be detained because of saudi law, but i support their cause…

But no…you did the exact opposite…

Sacrifice is the word. Change takes sacrifice. Sacrifice is not stupid.

SimplyTrying · 2019-04-06T17:07:53.468Z

tnt:

Snow96:

They of all people should know the laws and customs of a country they are a citizen (dual) of.

Stupididy should hurt. These two will find that out.

Was is stupid when Rosa parks did her thing? When black americans sat at lunch counters? When MLK protested the laws of america?

When women took to the streets in america to get teh right to vote? Just a bunch of dumb broads?

Seriously, how could you possibly say that?

Wow. Swear I didn’t read this b4 I posted. Brilliant minds.

And you made the point much better. Thanks.

CaughtInTheMiddle · 2019-04-06T17:10:56.149Z

Mountain_Soldier:

I thought taking cowboy diplomacy actions and shooting from the hip was frowned upon. I thought we were supposed to use the institutions available to us and get everyone together and sing kumbahyah and resolve everything without offending anyone. My how times have changed.

Reading that is like listening to my mom talk about some 1970s soap opera.

Mountain_Soldier · 2019-04-06T17:17:44.977Z

You don’t remember what the left said about Bush?

Plasmaball · 2019-04-06T18:26:44.755Z

Unless its for a woman…then its stupid…

What he did was he said something stupid and instead of doing the human thing and saying whoops…he doubled down and made excuses.

blueapplepaste · 2019-04-06T18:43:20.415Z

Remember when Otto was captured in NK and the right derided Obama for being so weak.

Yet now these women are NBD and too bad so sad for them when Trump is in office.

tnt · 2019-04-06T21:32:24.545Z

Axxowiz:

Oh I agree with you I am not a fan of SA either and I have seen more than a few presidents say something about SA while running for office, once in it all changes. It’s like they get a SA foreign policy memo with the keys to the White House.

Have you ever seen a US president believe the Saudi claim that they didn’t murder a US based journalist despite the strong evidence presented by our intelligence agencies that they did?

Trump won’t do a damn thing about these female US citizens. Not one ■■■■■■■ thing.

JayJay · 2019-04-06T21:34:49.604Z

Snow96:

My point is, they remain Saudi Citizens and are subject to their laws as such. Since they kept their Saudi Citizenship (or if they were US citizens first and became Saudi citizens without renouncing like they should – in my opinion), the US should play no part in their arrest and let their laws play out with their citizens.

Did you ever stop for a minute and think maybe…just maybe…they do know?

Do you really believe that fighting for a just cause even if you’re going to be arrested, jailed, and maybe even tortured and killed is stupid?

You really believe this?

It would explain quite a bit…

Phaedrus · 2019-04-06T21:37:10.388Z

Snow96:

Stupididy should hurt.

It probady does.

tnt · 2019-04-06T21:42:53.576Z

reflechissez:

Stupididy should hurt.

lol.

tell us, from 1 to 10, what level is the pain?