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I posted this one in the last thread:

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How did Trump end up with any classified documents after he left the WH? There’s no way, so you have to agree that anything that was there, was there when he was still POTUS. The exception would be something that was planted.

Everything Trump had there, was there before January 20.

“The minute the president speaks about it to someone, he has the ability to declassify anything at any time without any process.”

You all should just give up.

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What? You seriously believe there’s no way Trump could have gotten classified documents from the WH to Mar a Lago?

How do you figure that?

And if all these documents have been declassified, why is Trump’s legal team requesting that the Special Master have top secret clearance?

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Not true.

But fine. Instead of giving up, I say we test this proposition in court. Surely you all ©️ are confident enough to agree, right?

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TFG released a statement claiming that as president, he had a “standing order … that documents removed from the Oval Office and taken to the residence were deemed to be declassified the moment he removed them."

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Trump said he declassified them. Which he could have only done prior to noon on January 20, 2021.

If the documents were planted, how would the FPOTUS have known to declassified them?

As of noon on January 20, 2021 - the FPOTUS was no longer authorized to keep classified documents. Doesn’t matter if they were there while the active POTUS or if he sent them there as part of moving out of the White House.

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This would be a great idea.

Too bad Trump’s legal team doesn’t agree and isn’t even arguing that Trump declassified all the documents.

Every day, I grow more amazed at how correct George Orwell was…I now believe the human capacity for doublethink may well be limitless.

Trump supporters have taught me that in spades…their ability to believe 56 totally at odds excuses from Donald Trump are all true at the same time is truly breathtaking.

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Ah, good point. I do keep forgetting this argument is only a product of the punditsphere.

So @Piper, what say you? If this argument is such a slam dunk, why isn’t it front and center from Team Crime?

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“The Special Master that will say all the documents are mine needs to have top secret clearance so he is allowed to look at all the documents I declassified… including the ones that were planted by the FBI months after I left office!”

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The president’s classification and declassification powers are broad

Experts agreed that the president, as commander-in-chief, is ultimately responsible for classification and declassification. When someone lower in the chain of command handles classification and declassification duties — which is usually how it’s done — it’s because they have been delegated to do so by the president directly, or by an appointee chosen by the president.

“The President, after all, is the ‘Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States’” according to Article II of the Constitution, the court’s majority wrote. “His authority to classify and control access to information bearing on national security … flows primarily from this constitutional investment of power in the President, and exists quite apart from any explicit congressional grant.”

Steven Aftergood, director of the Federation of American Scientists Project on Government Secrecy, said that such authority gives the president the authority to “classify and declassify at will.”

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You’re avoiding these two questions:

*Why are Trump’s lawyers not arguing this?
*Why do Trump’s lawyers say the Special Master has to have top secret clearance?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah-we are all familiar with how unassailable the argument is.

Any thoughts as to why we aren’t hearing it from Team Crime?

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Something else to think about… Did Trump treat the documents stored at MaraLago as classified?

We have the letter that DOJ sent to Trump asking him to better secure the door where the documents were kept. Trump’s team added a padlock to the door. They didn’t say, these are my documents, I can store them how I want. He added security at the request of the DOJ. Treating the documents as if they were classified or at the very least national defense information.

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Another good point.

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As an aside, I would just like to say that Team Left’s meme game is on point today!

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And that does not matter. As per the law, the day he was no longer is the day that he was not allowed by law to have any government documents in his possession. And per the affidavit released by the court the government asked for the documents back. And then they got stonewalled to the point where they had to get a subpoena. And then they got stonewalled to the point where they had to get a warrant. And those facts that were in the released affidavit were not disputed by any of Trump’s legal team.

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DOJ is appealing the Special Master decision by Judge Cannon.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/09/08/justice-appeals-trump-documents-special-master/

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What’s ironic about this is on principle, conservatives who believe activist judges who try to make new law is bad should be applauding this decision to appeal Judge Cannon’s ruling, and be rooting for the appeal to succeed.

Because Judge Cannon unequivocally, absolutely, invented precedents out of thin air with this ruling.

But because the right’s loyalty is now by and large to Trump the man rather than conservatism the principle, most of them will lambaste the DOJ for appealing, and concoct yet another conspiracy as to why they are doing so.

Book it.

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