Trump's greatest achievement is that . .

Jezcoe · 2019-05-11T15:39:35.302Z

PAmoderate37:

The Republican Party has never been the party of fiscal responsibility. They have never met a military project they didn’t want to spend money on. They are simply the party of low taxes.

If the Democrats are Tax and Spend then the GOP is Spend just as much and make our Grandchildren pay for it.

Chris · 2019-05-11T16:10:02.742Z

The article that you linked to is dated from over a year ago. Since that time, the National debt has increased by about a trillion dollars.

Smyrna · 2019-05-11T17:17:53.046Z

Chris:

The article that you linked to is dated from over a year ago. Since that time, the National debt has increased by about a trillion dollars.

What I couldn’t find was what the total summation of all tax revenue generated since the tax cut…annualized vs the the total government expenditures of President Obama’s last year in office? I think that’s the quotient I’d apply to measure the success vs failure of the tax cuts. This number has to improve or Congress should act and raise taxes?

Trump’s “infrastructure bill” scares the living daylights out of me too. Dems have proposed 2 trillion and I doubt too many Republicans are going to object. How I interpret this is it’s just going to be a corrupt feeding frenzy of waste, miscalculations and cost over-runs. It’d be interesting to know how much of that 2 trillion is proposed to actually go to where the rubber meets the road? Historically…when I hear a politician use the word infrastructure synonymously with their proposed spending bill…it means that it’s mostly pork.

mobiusptc · 2019-05-11T18:47:53.098Z

wonderingrover:

So much winning from this presidency. We literally cannot afford all this winning

doesn’t matter if we can’t, only matter if he can

mobiusptc · 2019-05-11T18:48:33.699Z

wonderingrover:

I think my math skills must be going down. I distinctly remember Trump saying he was going to eliminate the national debt in 8 years. Now, I’m usually pretty good at math - but no matter how I run the numbers, I can’t figure out a way he’s going to accomplish that running the deficits he’s running now.

Maybe I’m using an incorrect function or formula somewhere - anyone got any ideas?

did you remember to carry the one?

LouC · 2019-05-11T18:50:50.868Z

No. No. No.

In Conservative math the one is never carried.

You tell that little bastard to pull up his boot straps and carry himself!!!

NuffSaid · 2019-05-11T18:51:26.093Z

He was joking.

mobiusptc · 2019-05-11T18:53:11.675Z

LouC:

No. No. No.

In Conservative math the one is never carried.

You tell that little bastard to pull up his boot straps and carry himself!!!

that was old conservative math, new conservative math requires the one to be carried by low paid decimals who should be eternally thankful the one even bothers to offer crappy health insurance

LouC · 2019-05-11T18:58:47.553Z

Oh GOD!!!

NOT NEW MATH!!!

NOT AGAIN!!!

ARGH!!!

Lumpenproletariat · 2019-05-11T20:36:05.732Z

. . . even when the economy is bad like it was when obummer was precedent.

The economy was slowly improving from 2010-16. Steady improvement is the best kind of improvement. There was no significant change from Obama to Trump, other than the sudden increase in the deficit.

The sudden downturn in 2008-09 was mostly inherited from the previous period.

We’ll experience the damage Trump is doing over the next 5-10-15 years. Like we experienced the damage done by protectionism in the 1920s several years later. And the damage from the severe deficits beginning in 1932.

The consequences are long-term.

calirepub · 2019-05-11T20:41:21.827Z

Liberals are still blaming Bush for the economy collapsing in 2008. So funny. The economy only collapsed because people knew Obama was going to win the election and ruin the economy. Obama “fixing” the economy he created is the definition of what liberalism is all about. Conservatives, like Donald Trump, knows that the steady growth of the Obama years is worthless. A boom/bust cycle where Republicans can take credit for the booms and Democrats are blamed for the busts will ultimately make America great.

westaussie · 2019-05-12T01:45:02.759Z

That 2 trillion dollar amount is a lower figure than the amount that Trump has increased the debt by.

Smyrna · 2019-05-12T12:09:10.260Z

calirepub:

Liberals are still blaming Bush for the economy collapsing in 2008. So funny. The economy only collapsed because people knew Obama was going to win the election and ruin the economy. Obama “fixing” the economy he created is the definition of what liberalism is all about. Conservatives, like Donald Trump, knows that the steady growth of the Obama years is worthless. A boom/bust cycle where Republicans can take credit for the booms and Democrats are blamed for the busts will ultimately make America great.

Actually…President Bill Clinton with his huge, ill planned and ill thought out expansion of the Community Reinvestment Act and the removal of Glass-Steagall that was the one, two punch of The Great Recession.

Smyrna · 2019-05-12T12:10:26.573Z

westaussie:

That 2 trillion dollar amount is a lower figure than the amount that Trump has increased the debt by.

…and it’s this moronic division of blame that continues to exacerbate this problem that affects all of us.

Jezcoe · 2019-05-12T12:58:18.589Z

Smyrna:

calirepub:

Liberals are still blaming Bush for the economy collapsing in 2008. So funny. The economy only collapsed because people knew Obama was going to win the election and ruin the economy. Obama “fixing” the economy he created is the definition of what liberalism is all about. Conservatives, like Donald Trump, knows that the steady growth of the Obama years is worthless. A boom/bust cycle where Republicans can take credit for the booms and Democrats are blamed for the busts will ultimately make America great.

Actually…President Bill Clinton with his huge, ill planned and ill thought out expansion of the Community Reinvestment Act and the removal of Glass-Steagall that was the one, two punch of The Great Recession.

Glass -Steagall Act repeal yes… CRA… not so much.

westaussie · 2019-05-12T13:42:54.563Z

A couple of observations. Why was the debt clock so integral to the Fox News opposition to B Obama during his presidency? A secondary question to that is why hasn’t Fox News been so diligent in publicising Trump’s attendances on golf courses during his presidency as they were with Obama’s attendances on the golf course during Obama’s presidency?

Australia did not have a recession during the GFC crisis.

Smyrna · 2019-05-12T13:47:25.280Z

westaussie:

A couple of observations. Why was the debt clock so integral to the Fox News opposition to B Obama during his presidency? A secondary question to that is why hasn’t Fox News been so diligent in publicising Trump’s attendances on golf courses during his presidency as they were with Obama’s attendances on the golf course during Obama’s presidency?

Australia did not have a recession during the GFC crisis.

My guess…they’re biased and pandering to their audience. What do you think?

Jezcoe · 2019-05-12T13:47:57.492Z

westaussie:

A couple of observations. Why was the debt clock so integral to the Fox News opposition to B Obama during his presidency? A secondary question to that is why hasn’t Fox News been so diligent in publicising Trump’s attendances on golf courses during his presidency as they were with Obama’s attendances on the golf course during Obama’s presidency?

Australia did not have a recession during the GFC crisis.

Who here used to call Obama “King Putt”?

I haven’t heard that complaint about Trump… odd… isn’t it?

westaussie · 2019-05-12T13:48:59.598Z

Unfortunately, I don’t believe I can answer the question you posed without violating the TOS of this site.

westaussie · 2019-05-12T13:51:16.634Z

It certainly suggests that Trump is not held to account using the same standards as Obama.