Jezcoe
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Like all complicated events… when it comes to the 2008 collapse there is plenty of blame to go around.
Okay, there’s one. I’ll put up number two: mercenary armies.
BUT, I wasn’t comparing our fall to Rome, my point was that 2,000 years later, we still can’t agree on the reason why it fell.
Edit: I agree with the thrust of your post, though. I think our “model” is Britain, but I’d be interested on your thoughts if you think the Dutch are a better model.
Agreed. Which goes to my point: this ranking is good for smug satisfaction or frothing fury, but not too much else.
You can’t render an accurate judgment on history while still living that history.
Jezcoe
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I agree about the ranking.
Why Jackson is so high makes no sense.
Why Harrison who lasted a month is even on there in the first place makes no sense.
These lists are kind of dumb.
But… I think that Trump will be ranked as one of the worst and the historical opinion of Obama is raised because of him.
Well, humans like to rank and categorize things. If you wanna click bait me to your site, throw up “10 best tanks of WWII.” That one gets me every time, and I don’t care.
So, I don’t think these lists are dumb, what I think is dumb is ranking a dude less than a year out of office.
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I feel the same. There is plenty of blame to spread around. Honestly, when it comes down to it, I place final blame on those greedy Wallstreet ■■■■■■■■ What makes it worse is they got away with it.
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Jezcoe
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People should have gone to jail.
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In 10 years…
Trump: “Nobody knew about Obama until I won 2016 election in a landslide despite democrats unleashing voter fraud against me”
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Don’t wish him ill but I’m doubtful Trump will still be breathing a decade from now.
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DougBH
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I’m not buying that anyone could have handled it any better.
CDC and government agencies were in line to take care of something like this. Work on the vaccine started within the month…tho much of it was pre prepared. About the only thing Trump was able to do was cut off travel from abroad…which he did under much criticism from Democrats and WHO.
Democrats contribution? Biden accusing Trump of hysteria and xenophobia the day after he limits travel from China.
Pelosi encouraging people not to pay attention to the hysteria and to go to China Town to eat and shop.
NYC telling people to continue with life and ride the subway.
Are these the people who would have handled this better?
No, Trump’s “failure” is a masterful stroke of propaganda by much of the media.
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DougBH:
I’m not buying that anyone could have handled it any better.
CDC and government agencies were in line to take care of something like this. Work on the vaccine started within the month…tho much of it was pre prepared. About the only thing Trump was able to do was cut off travel from abroad…which he did under much criticism from Democrats and WHO.
Democrats contribution? Biden accusing Trump of hysteria and xenophobia the day after he limits travel from China.
Pelosi encouraging people not to pay attention to the hysteria and to go to China Town to eat and shop.
NYC telling people to continue with life and ride the subway.
Are these the people who would have handled this better?
No, Trump’s “failure” is a masterful stroke of propaganda by much of the media.
Not true…everyone heard Trump on the Woodward tapes. He has no one to blame but himself. He choose the economy over the pandemic. He was wrong. That is why he is at the bottom.
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DougBH
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Everyone heard Trump claim that he had known how serious it would be.
- This is the first statement Trump made that the left accepted as true instead of the usual ego bloating.
- There is no indication that there was any action that he did not go ahead and take because he lied about thinking how serious it was.
No damage done. At least, other than politically.
NOw if he had told the drug companies to stop working on the vaccine, instead of double timing it, you could have a point.
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at lest he isn’t Andrew Johnson.

DougBH:
Everyone heard Trump claim that he had known how serious it would be.
- This is the first statement Trump made that the left accepted as true instead of the usual ego bloating.
- There is no indication that there was any action that he did not go ahead and take because he lied about thinking how serious it was.
No damage done. At least, other than politically.
NOw if he had told the drug companies to stop working on the vaccine, instead of double timing it, you could have a point.
He literally told the American people it was under control and would be zero or near zero in no time while he was telling Woodard it was airborne and deadly. Sorry…you are wrong.
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Seems the woke mob disagrees with this poll four out of the eight top tens statues have been taken down, vandalized, or burnt. They even tried to get the no 1 and 2 on that lists names removed from schools in California.
Obama sure has moved up since leaving office.
Also, don’t forget those ridiculous Covid press conferences and his immediate politicization of masks, quarantine, and social distancing.
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I think Obama will remain at the lower half-ish for the duration.