Trump Says He Will Override Governors On Church Openings

[moonshine]

since the government cant regulate churches anymore i guess rastafarians are free to smoke dope.

[WuWei]

@JayJay

@WuWei

@JayJay

In every generation there are people that simply have got to believe they are specially called and their lives hold a special meaning.

Merely being alive isn’t special enough.

It’s why we have religions…and crusades…and why people are so easily rallied to causes.

Indeed. They’re called “leaders”.

No…that’s a different kind of hubris.

It can be. Mostly they’re leaders.

[WuWei]

@moonshine

since the government cant regulate churches anymore i guess rastafarians are free to smoke dope.

Absolutely.

[merickson]

@WuWei

@Paul_Thomson

@merickson

Similar reasoning leads to the city having authority to require distancing and masks of the congregants.

Does the city or governor have a right to impose greater restriction on a church than on a liquor store or an abortion clinic?

AFAIK, they haven’t imposed different restrictions. They have recognized that social, philosophical clubs are differently essential than food stores and medical offices.

[JayJay]

No…it’s different.

This is the unique hubris of those that think they’re enlightened and special but are not.

The ones of which certain types of leaders take full advantage.

[IBC]

@merickson

AFAIK, they haven’t imposed different restrictions. They have recognized that social, philosophical clubs are differently essential than food stores and medical offices.

How has the recognition of “differently essential” manifested itself?

In NY, the former portion you speak of has been categorized as “nonessential”, not “differently essential”. Words mean things.

[WuWei]

@JayJay

No…it’s different.

This is the unique hubris of those that think they’re enlightened and special but are not.

The ones of which certain types of leaders take full advantage.

They are not in your opinion. It is not unique.

They’re called leaders.

[JayJay]

@WuWei

@JayJay

No…it’s different.

This is the unique hubris of those that think they’re enlightened and special but are not.

The ones of which certain types of leaders take full advantage.

They are not in your opinion. It is not unique.

They’re called leaders.

It’s not my opinion.

The virtue signalers who wear fatigues with AR15s while they attend rallies for haircuts are pretending they’re in the Vanguard Of the Fight Against Tyranny.

These folks are not leaders…any more than the grubby unwashed 99%ers were.

They are the exact opposite of leaders.

[WuWei]

@JayJay

@WuWei

@JayJay

No…it’s different.

This is the unique hubris of those that think they’re enlightened and special but are not.

The ones of which certain types of leaders take full advantage.

They are not in your opinion. It is not unique.

They’re called leaders.

It’s not my opinion.

The virtue signalers who wear fatigues with AR15s while they attend rallies for haircuts are pretending they’re in the Vanguard Of the Fight Against Tyranny.

These folks are not leaders…any more than the grubby unwashed 99%ers were.

Of course it’s your opinion.

[PhilipNolan]

@JayJay

It’s not my opinion.

The virtue signalers who wear fatigues with AR15s while they attend rallies for haircuts are pretending they’re in the Vanguard Of the Fight Against Tyranny.

These folks are not leaders…any more than the grubby unwashed 99%ers were.

They are the exact opposite of leaders.

Why don’t you tell us what you really think.

[JayJay]

@PhilipNolan

@JayJay

It’s not my opinion.

The virtue signalers who wear fatigues with AR15s while they attend rallies for haircuts are pretending they’re in the Vanguard Of the Fight Against Tyranny.

These folks are not leaders…any more than the grubby unwashed 99%ers were.

They are the exact opposite of leaders.

Why don’t you tell us what you really think.

I think I just did.

[tnt]

@NickN

Most people during this health crisis already took sensible precautions and utilized reasonable alternatives for most anything including school, exercise, sports, etc. involving in-person participation options. Are you implying places of worship are not totally justified in wanting options where people could get back to attending services in person right away albeit safe?

That’s not close to true.

[tnt]

@Paul_Thomson

Does the city or governor have a right to impose greater restriction on a church than on a liquor store or an abortion clinic?

During a pandemic? Sure.

You could say the same about concert venues.

[Nemesis]

Pass me my fainting couch and then my laptop so I can post online ferociously about how bad life is because thats all I will do. Bitch and moan online behind an anonymous name.

[tnt]

Trump's Push To Open Churches Contradicts Jesus' Teaching To Love Neighbors:...

clergy speaking out against trump’s lame pandering.

[hwyflier]

@tnt

You could say the same about concert venues.

Yep. Why not have a giant religious music festival right now? Coachella of gospel.

[zantax]

@tnt

Trump's Push To Open Churches Contradicts Jesus' Teaching To Love Neighbors, Clergy Say | HuffPost Latest News

clergy speaking out against trump’s lame pandering.

Get back to me when anyone shows people in churches wearing masks are at higher risk from death from Covid than unmasked people in church were of dying from the flu during flu season.

[merickson]

@IBC

@merickson

AFAIK, they haven’t imposed different restrictions. They have recognized that social, philosophical clubs are differently essential than food stores and medical offices.

How has the recognition of “differently essential” manifested itself?

In NY, the former portion you speak of has been categorized as “nonessential”, not “differently essential”. Words mean things.

0 is different than 1.
And here in CA, as I suspect also in NY, essential is being determined in a non-binary fashion for phased re-opening.

Power, sewer, water
Gas Stations
Auto Mechanics, home repair
ISP’s, TV & radio stations
grocery stores, drive thru restaurants
delivery services
book stores, churches, parks (different than play equiptment)
all the way down to car dealerships and insurance offices. Different things have different levels of essentialness.

But the OP wasn’t about the relative essentialness of churches, but whether the constitution allows government to impose health & safety standards (social distancing, face masks) on churches.

I haven’t heard of any historic support for the notion that churches are exempt from health and safety standards. It is constitutional to require that a church have fire extinguishers handy.

[hwyflier]

@zantax

Get back to me when anyone shows people in churches wearing masks are at higher risk from death from Covid than unmasked people in church were of dying from the flu during flu season.

Ok. Until then, you wait right here.

[zantax]

Reasonable restrictions, nothing reasonable about restricting people who aren’t infected. You can’t go there or do that you’ll spread the disease, well, I don’t have it so how does that work? Test me, and if you get a positive then you will have a reason to curtail my rights.