Trump’s ‘operation warp-speed’ to create coronavirus vaccine pays off! Thank You President Trump!

[tzu]

And, the deal appears to vest co-ownership with Oxford’s vaccine company; it also very clearly establishes sovereign rights for England/GB, as well as zero profit off distribution during any phase of the declared pandemic.

These would never be conditions for an in-house pharma product. See, Descovy™ for PReP.

[JayJay]

@Ben_Natuf

there was no deflection, I answered the question twice already. If you don’t like the form of the answer, too ■■■■■■■ bad.

More kids are getting sick now than have been in the past.

This is a new virus that had never been seen before until last year.

To pretend we can use the sparse out of context data we have to make predictions of how schools would fare in hot zones is off the charts arrogant and ignorant.

And we don’t have to do it.

Taking a risk we don’t have to take isn’t courageous…it’s stupid.

[JayJay]

@tzu

And, the deal appears to vest co-ownership with Oxford’s vaccine company; it also very clearly establishes sovereign rights for England/GB, as well as zero profit off distribution during any phase of the declared pandemic.

These would never be conditions for an in-house pharma product. See, prEp.

It’s how AZ got money from the US government too.

This is how pharma progresses anymore btw.

The real innovation takes place in the university labs and start ups. The big companies give them seed funding and then buy them up to productionize them.

Why people feel like they can talk like authorities when they so obviously have zero expertise in the fields they are talking about I will never know.

[Ben_Natuf]

I’m not angry, and I haven’t insulted anyone about this. The vaccine belongs to AZ and they are paying Oxford to conduct the P3 trials. I have no idea how AZ funds its research through universities, but I’m sure they do and I’m sure they’ve been involved in this for a lot longer than you think. Looking at their various websites, they fund a lot of research at unviersities in partnering arrangements, including Oxford.

[tzu]

I think this bears repeating: the preliminary data for heart events, including viral replication in heart tissue, for upwards of 75% of nonhospitalized patients should temper any urgency to experiment with more than fifty million American children. There is only one rational path forward, and it isn’t the ‘let it burn’ surrender being trumpeted by Trump supporters.

[Ben_Natuf]

The preliminary data does not suggest this in children. Your attempt to tie it to children is just more

[tzu]

AstraZeneca didn’t fund or develop this research. Oxford’s Jenner Institute was in advanced development of a MERS vaccine, and started to transition it to Sars-CoV-2 in December of 2019.

AstraZeneca is funding distribution and production (in a deal signed after Oxford had already begun trials), along with several other companies and public institutions, in exchange for post-pandemic profits.

You are, perhaps, running out of excuses not to read all the linked or referenced literature.

[NebraskaFootball]

@Blackwolf

Smithsonian put this out 3 days ago:

What Scientists Know About How Children Spread COVID-19 | Science| Smithsonian Magazine

• Children are less likely to get as ill as adults.
• There is nothing currently conclusive about children to adult transmissability, research is ongoing.
• China published a study showing children were a third less likely to get infected as adults, but their chances of infection increased 300% when schools were opened.
• Recent data in England found little difference in infection rates between adults and children.
• Children are more likely to be asymptomatic when infected, making it more difficult to determine how infectious they are to others
• Researchers in Berlin found that kids carried the same viral load as adults, making them equally infectious
• Researchers worldwide state that getting a clear picture on any of this is impossible right now
• No one is recommending opening schools in areas where the virus is increasing exponentially

It’s an informative article.

Thank you for sharing this.

[Ben_Natuf]

I already said twice I believe… keep the schools in the large metro areas with Floyd spikes closed for now. There is no reason at all for other schools to stay closed.

[NebraskaFootball]

@Ben_Natuf

you hate him because he popped the little insider bubble. whaa. The science is clear, Its been clear for some time. There is no reason at all to cancel school other than to oppose trump. It is nothing more than the politics of fear.

Still patiently waiting on all of this science you keep referring to that says it will be okay when we send 57,000,000 children back to school. Does it exist or not?

[NebraskaFootball]

@Ben_Natuf

there was no deflection, I answered the question twice already. If you don’t like the form of the answer, too ■■■■■■■ bad.

You have not given an answer. What is the number of acceptable loss of life in your opinion here? What is the threshold?

[Ben_Natuf]

and I’m still not wasting my time on you.

[Ben_Natuf]

I’ve given you the answer, whatever the number ends up being it will be less than the seasonal flu. If the seasonal flu is acceptable, then that should be too. If you don’t like the answer, too ■■■■■■■ bad.

[NebraskaFootball]

@JayJay

@Ben_Natuf

there was no deflection, I answered the question twice already. If you don’t like the form of the answer, too ■■■■■■■ bad.

More kids are getting sick now than have been in the past.

This is a new virus that had never been seen before until last year.

To pretend we can use the sparse out of context data we have to make predictions of how schools would fare in hot zones is off the charts arrogant and ignorant.

And we don’t have to do it.

Taking a risk we don’t have to take isn’t courageous…it’s stupid.

Agreed. Doubly-so when we consider the fact that we have still not even come close to flattening the curve, or finding the downward slope on infections across this country. This is pure insanity.

[tzu]

So, anything more than 39 pediatric deaths?

[NebraskaFootball]

@Ben_Natuf

and I’m still not wasting my time on you.

I don’t believe the “science” you claim is overwhelming even exists.

[NebraskaFootball]

@Ben_Natuf

I’ve given you the answer, whatever the number ends up being it will be less than the seasonal flu. If the seasonal flu is acceptable, then that should be too. If you don’t like the answer, too ■■■■■■■ bad.

Okay. So in 2019-2020 there were 166 children that died of influenza. The prior year there were 188 child casualties from the flu. So the magic number can be placed at around 200 or so kids that are going to be considered acceptable losses. Anything over that, and then what?

[tzu]

I have a figure that only attributes 39 flu deaths, 2019-20.

Added in edit: just obtained final report. Your # is accurate.

[NebraskaFootball]

@tzu

I have a figure that only attributes 39 flu deaths, 2019-20.

https://www.aappublications.org/news/2020/04/10/fluupdate041020

CDC issues final flu report: 166 children died during 2019-’20 season

[party-free]

@Ben_Natuf

I already said twice I believe… keep the schools in the large metro areas with Floyd spikes closed for now. There is no reason at all for other schools to stay closed.

We went over this.

@party-free

This doesn’t explain why Dr. Birx just spent the weekend trying to convince TN’s governor to close bars and put more restrictions on restaurants, as well as putting out a mask order, due to spikes in rural areas of TN, and why she’s encouraging rural mayors to put out mask orders due to rising cases in those areas.