Trump Referred to DOJ!

[WorldWatcher]

@zantax

@tnt

@zantax

There is a reason you guys switched from omg he had our secrets to omg he took official documents.

Taking any documents is against the law.

That he obviously took classified material - despite the fanciful explanations to the contrary - makes the law breaking more galling is all.

It’s funny that you don’t dare admit either of these obvious truths.

Nope, I freely admit he took some papers he wasn’t entitled to have, it just isn’t a big deal is all.

If I took what the FPOTUS took when I left the military, I’d be in jail for 20-years to life.

22,000 pages of Presidential records and hundreds of classified documents.

WW

[zantax]

@tnt

@zantax

Free speech is the right in question

FEC violations = twitter not FBI

Deprivation of rights under color of law = FBI not twitter

Consumer fraud, lying to customers ie we don’t shadowban etc

No clue why Trump allowed it, sexual blackmail would be my guess. That or incompetence.

You have no more a right to use twitter than you do to use this site. It’s not a free speech issue at all.

Has anyone sued the FBI over this?

What I have a right to is the government not infringing on my speech. They don’t get to do an end run around the constitution.

[zantax]

@WorldWatcher

@zantax

@tnt

@zantax

There is a reason you guys switched from omg he had our secrets to omg he took official documents.

Taking any documents is against the law.

That he obviously took classified material - despite the fanciful explanations to the contrary - makes the law breaking more galling is all.

It’s funny that you don’t dare admit either of these obvious truths.

Nope, I freely admit he took some papers he wasn’t entitled to have, it just isn’t a big deal is all.

If I took what the FPOTUS took when I left the military, I’d be in jail for 20-years to life.

22,000 pages of Presidential records and hundreds of classified documents.

WW

You never possessed the absolute and sole power to declassify anything you like either.

[tnt]

@zantax

What I have a right to is the government not infringing on my speech. They don’t get to do an end run around the constitution.

You have no more a right to ay whatever you want on twitter than you do on this or anyother social media site.

Who influences the rule makes is irrelevant to that fact.

Has anyone sued the FBI?

[tnt]

@zantax

You never possessed the absolute and sole power to declassify anything you like either.

Doesn’t matter. They aren’t his documents to take

If they were declassifed, there would have been evidnce of that. You know they weren’t.

[zantax]

@tnt

@zantax

What I have a right to is the government not infringing on my speech. They don’t get to do an end run around the constitution.

You have no more a right to ay whatever you want on twitter than you do on this or anyother social media site.

Who influences the rule makes is irrelevant to that fact.

Has anyone sued the FBI?

When a company acts on behalf of the government it is subject to the same rules the government is. Yes people have sued but that was before we had the receipts, there is also a current case involving Alabama and Missouri who will have those receipts, so lets see how that case goes shall we?

But I am enjoying your foray into “not technically illegal”.

Oh, forgot the Berenson case which was settled in his favor and his account restored.

[mot1man]

In the end, what has this 7 year fishing expedition cost the American taxpayer?

[WorldWatcher]

@zantax

You never possessed the absolute and sole power to declassify anything you like either.

Please point to the court document where the FPOTUS has claimed to have declassified the material.

As a matter of fact when question by Judge Dearie on the issue them specifically REFUSED to make the claim that the documents were declassified.

WW

[zantax]

@WorldWatcher

@zantax

You never possessed the absolute and sole power to declassify anything you like either.

Please point to the court document where the FPOTUS has claimed to have declassified the material.

As a matter of fact when question by Judge Dearie on the issue them specifically REFUSED to make the claim that the documents were declassified.

WW

I was speaking in terms of why anyone should care, not about legalities there.

[WorldWatcher]

@zantax

@WorldWatcher

@zantax

You never possessed the absolute and sole power to declassify anything you like either.

Please point to the court document where the FPOTUS has claimed to have declassified the material.

As a matter of fact when question by Judge Dearie on the issue them specifically REFUSED to make the claim that the documents were declassified.

WW

I was speaking in terms of why anyone should care, not about legalities there.

It matters because unless he (a) makes the claim in court, and (b) presents evidence that he declassified them prior to noon on January 20, 2021 - then there is no difference between him stealing classified materials when leaving office and me stealing classified materials when I retired.

With no claim and evidence to support the claim, than as Judge Dearie said in his response - the classification remains in tact in accordance with the classification markings.

WW

[zantax]

@WorldWatcher

@zantax

@WorldWatcher

@zantax

You never possessed the absolute and sole power to declassify anything you like either.

Please point to the court document where the FPOTUS has claimed to have declassified the material.

As a matter of fact when question by Judge Dearie on the issue them specifically REFUSED to make the claim that the documents were declassified.

WW

I was speaking in terms of why anyone should care, not about legalities there.

It matters because unless he (a) makes the claim in court, and (b) presents evidence that he declassified them prior to noon on January 20, 2021 - then there is no difference between him stealing classified materials when leaving office and me stealing classified materials when I retired.

With no claim and evidence to support the claim, than as Judge Dearie said in his response - the classification remains in tact in accordance with the classification markings.

WW

If Ronald Reagan showed otherwise secret material to the Soviets in nuclear negotiations without having officially declassified before hand is it illegal? Because he did and nothing happened to him.

[Orygun]

You’re making an argument that will appeal to MAGA, but is empty in a court of law.

[tnt]

Why should anyone care that a citizen took classified documents home after his tenure? Isn’t it obvious?

[tnt]

Just like nothing happened to trump when he disclosed top secret info to the Russians about Israel.

Those cars are nothing like absconding with classified information after your tenure.

[TheDoctorIsIn]

@zantax

If Ronald Reagan showed otherwise secret material to the Soviets in nuclear negotiations without having officially declassified before hand is it illegal? Because he did and nothing happened to him.

Well, Trump did do that, too.

But as you said, disclosing classified info while President isn’t against the law, which is why I’m confused as to why you bring it up.

[TheDoctorIsIn]

@zantax

I was speaking in terms of why anyone should care, not about legalities there.

Do you really think you’re in a position to judge what people should care about?

[zantax]

@TheDoctorIsIn

@zantax

If Ronald Reagan showed otherwise secret material to the Soviets in nuclear negotiations without having officially declassified before hand is it illegal? Because he did and nothing happened to him.

Well, Trump did do that, too.

But as you said, disclosing classified info while President isn’t against the law, which is why I’m confused as to why you bring it up.

Because in both instances, no formal declassification procedure was followed, proving it is not a requirement.

[zantax]

@TheDoctorIsIn

@zantax

I was speaking in terms of why anyone should care, not about legalities there.

Do you really think you’re in a position to judge what people should care about?

Try an actual rational argument instead of ad hom.

[TheDoctorIsIn]

@zantax

Because in both instances, no formal declassification procedure was followed,

That’s because - in the cases of Reagan and Trump’s disclosures to the Russians - the information wasn’t declassified.

[TheDoctorIsIn]

@zantax

Try an actual rational argument instead of ad hom.

Your feelings about what people should or should not care about is not a “rational argument.”