Trump promised 20 million vaccines by the end of the year

Ben_Natuf · 2021-01-15T17:26:06.068Z

maybe you’ve heard of fungibility?

Munimula1 · 2021-01-15T17:26:16.410Z

According to a report Friday morning in The Washington Post, the Trump administration ceased stockpiling the vaccine at the end of last year and began shipping doses directly from the assembly line. Officials with the administration have said they are confident that pharmaceutical manufacturers can meet demand now that they have achieved a consistent pace of production, The Washington Post reported.

WuWei · 2021-01-15T17:27:00.449Z

Munimula1:

Yes, that was what they said, but they didn’t reserve anything. “The Trump administration had already begun shipping out what was available beginning at the end of December, taking second doses directly off the manufacturing line.”

“They” is who?

I think Azar is talking about guidance. The states were holding it in reserve because that was the CDC (Fauci) guidance.

That guidance has/will change. Same thing happened in Europe, they dropped it faster.

Munimula1 · 2021-01-15T17:27:32.581Z

“They” is the Trump administration.

Once again:

When Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar announced this week that the federal government would begin releasing coronavirus vaccine doses held in reserve for second shots, no such reserve existed, according to state and federal officials briefed on distribution plans.

WuWei · 2021-01-15T17:28:31.589Z

Munimula1:

According to a report Friday morning in The Washington Post, the Trump administration ceased stockpiling the vaccine at the end of last year and began shipping doses directly from the assembly line. Officials with the administration have said they are confident that pharmaceutical manufacturers can meet demand now that they have achieved a consistent pace of production, The Washington Post reported.

Right. And told the states to change the strategy. End of last year is two weeks ago.

No state has yet run out of vaccine.

WuWei · 2021-01-15T17:29:15.098Z

Munimula1:

“They” is the Trump administration.

Once again:

When Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar announced this week that the federal government would begin releasing coronavirus vaccine doses held in reserve for second shots, no such reserve existed, according to state and federal officials briefed on distribution plans.

You are misunderstanding the issue.

Camp · 2021-01-15T17:30:48.262Z

Exactly. No warehouse full of second doses.

Silly when the Moderns 5 dose vial actually yields 10 or 11 doses.

Munimula1 · 2021-01-15T17:32:44.788Z

What’s to misunderstand? The Trump Administration said they were going to release a huge stockpile of vaccines- there is no stockpile.

WuWei · 2021-01-15T17:35:05.249Z

Munimula1:

What’s to misunderstand? The Trump Administration said they were going to release a huge stockpile of vaccines- there is no stockpile.

The states were holding in reserve for the 2nd dose. They were told to.

tnt · 2021-01-15T17:51:39.268Z

WuWei:

The states were holding in reserve for the 2nd dose. They were told to.

I thought the fed was.

WuWei · 2021-01-15T17:54:42.680Z

tnt:

WuWei:

The states were holding in reserve for the 2nd dose. They were told to.

I thought the fed was.

Why did you think that?

tnt · 2021-01-15T18:40:18.230Z

WuWei:

Why did you think that?

dunno. Can’t remember.

Either way, seems like states are still swimming in vaccine. Not sure this will be an issue. But disturbing if they say they are going to release more, when in fact they don’t have more on hand.

Ben_Natuf · 2021-01-15T19:15:26.675Z

tnt:

WuWei:

Why did you think that?

dunno. Can’t remember.

Either way, seems like states are still swimming in vaccine. Not sure this will be an issue. But disturbing if they say they are going to release more, when in fact they don’t have more on hand.

which state has run out?

WuWei · 2021-01-15T20:26:24.992Z

30,628,175 delivered

11,869,478 administered

39% - a little over 1/3rd. They need to stop whining and start sticking.

Munimula1 · 2021-01-15T21:21:36.676Z

twitter.com

Governor Jay Inslee

@GovInslee

Governors were told repeatedly by @HHSgov there was a strategic reserve of vaccines, and this week, the American people were told it’d be released to increase supply of vaccine. It appears now that no reserve exists. The Trump admin. must answer immediately for this deception. twitter.com/OregonGovBrown…

Governor Kate Brown @OregonGovBrown

Last night, I received disturbing news, confirmed to me directly by General Perna of Operation Warp Speed: States will not be receiving increased shipments of vaccines from the national stockpile next week, because there is no federal reserve of doses.

5:01 PM - 15 Jan 2021 17K 7.4K

zantax · 2021-01-15T21:33:15.057Z

Where is my disinfo sticker?

Samm · 2021-01-15T22:36:45.547Z

WuWei:

Samm:

WuWei:

Samm:

Two different things. The 90% efficacy was after the second shot.

Yes, I know. That’s what I just said. What’s the efficacy if the 2nd one is given at 35 days? 70 days?

Don’t know. We were talking about the first shot and why we should get two doses.

That’s right, we don’t know. Because they didn’t test it. Like I said.

Nobody is suggesting not getting the 2nd shot.

That’s not true. There has been much discussion about eliminating or delaying indefinitely, the second shot so that more people can get some immunity. The rationale being that 300 million people with 70% immunity is better than 150 million people with 90% immunity.

Samm · 2021-01-15T22:39:46.462Z

Munimula1:

What’s to misunderstand? The Trump Administration said they were going to release a huge stockpile of vaccines- there is no stockpile.

Where was Biden going to get the stockpile that he promised to release?

Samm · 2021-01-15T22:40:47.678Z

WuWei:

tnt:

WuWei:

The states were holding in reserve for the 2nd dose. They were told to.

I thought the fed was.

Why did you think that?

Because they believe that it makes Trump look bad.

Munimula1 · 2021-01-16T00:39:31.511Z

Samm:

Munimula1:

What’s to misunderstand? The Trump Administration said they were going to release a huge stockpile of vaccines- there is no stockpile.

Where was Biden going to get the stockpile that he promised to release?

Seriously?