Trump Is Waging War on America’s Diplomats

mobulis · 2019-12-09T20:33:22.835Z

Paul_Thomson:

H_Arendt:

We the people define the public interest through debate and election.

Exactly. And “we the people” elected Trump on his campaign promises re foreign policy.

Nope, we the people wanted Hillary.

kingarthur65 · 2019-12-09T22:45:09.549Z

Paul_Thomson:

kingarthur65:

In order to answer your question about Trump’s Ukraine policy, you are gonna have to define what that policy is. Just as I stated earlier. You know that but you keep deflectingdo more to sand avoiding.

Ukraine is a big beautiful wall between Europe and Russia. Europe needs to do more to support Ukraine. We need to be confident that US taxpayer aid to foreign countries like Ukraine will not be funding corruption.

Are you aware that the EU provides at least twice as much aid to Ukraine as the US year after year? It is the biggest aid package the EU has put together for anything.

hwyflier · 2019-12-09T23:41:11.480Z

Trump is best at eating his own. Trump is right to be paranoid, and must remove anyone offering anything but undying loyalty to Him. Lie detectors, for everyone, every day.

WildRose · 2019-12-10T02:05:48.584Z

Because the constitution clearly and very narrowly defines what treason is.

We are not at war with Ukraine.

WildRose · 2019-12-10T02:07:23.711Z

It’s the only vote or voice that matters when it comes to electing the POTUS.

We’re a Republic not a direct democracy. If you want mob rule there are a number of countries around the world where you can find it and I’m sure they’d welcome you.

WildRose · 2019-12-10T02:08:16.955Z

Congrats on the complete and utter fabrication.

WildRose · 2019-12-10T02:10:04.610Z

How many countries are there in the EU?

What lethal military aid are they providing Ukraine?

H_Arendt · 2019-12-10T02:11:57.007Z

WildRose:

Congrats on the complete and utter fabrication.

Congrats on an excellent utterly non-specific accusation. If you can state what was fabricated, others can assess your judgment. But mostly around here I find specific points and examples are met with blanket dimissal, and no ability to actually disprove anything specific.

There is no politics when all one side does is shout “You’re wrong.”

WildRose · 2019-12-10T02:13:37.945Z

I would have thought that to be obvious even, particularly in fact, to yourself.

How pathetic is it that our President kowtows before outrageous Saudi behavior: when it is obvious he is doing so in the hopes of some day building a Trump Tower Jeddah.

H_Arendt · 2019-12-10T02:17:57.227Z

WildRose:

I would have thought that to be obvious even, particularly in fact, to yourself.

How pathetic is it that our President kowtows before outrageous Saudi behavior: when it is obvious he is doing so in the hopes of some day building a Trump Tower Jeddah.

How else would you characterize Trump’s reaction to the terrorist attack this weekend. Too afraid of the Saudi’s to call it a terrorist attack. That was kowtowing.

And of course, Trump looked the other way when the Saudi’s murdered Kashoggi; and he looks the other way at the war in Yemen where the Saudis are using US arms to murder civilians.

I’ve spent enough time in the Kingdom to know that Jeddah is a Trump target market.

So what in my statements would you argue is not true. I’ll admit the Trump Tower comment is based on my own knowledge; but you have to admit it is plausible… Do you understand why Trump would build in Jeddah rather than Riyadh or shall I explain a bit about KSA to you.

WuWei · 2019-12-10T02:21:35.017Z

H_Arendt:

There is no politics when all one side does is shout “You’re wrong.”

Well, in his defense, you quite frequently are.

H_Arendt · 2019-12-10T02:31:26.711Z

WuWei:

H_Arendt:

There is no politics when all one side does is shout “You’re wrong.”

Well, in his defense, you quite frequently are.

So if enough of you shout “You’re wrong” that would constitute proof.

WildRose · 2019-12-10T02:46:18.029Z

It was a complete fabrication on your part and we both know it.

Trump is the most inartful speaker we’ve had as POTUS in probably a hundred years or more and rarely thinks through what he’s going to say before blurting it out.

Like it are not the Saudis are key allies and there’s zero evidence to suggest this was state sponsored terrorism.

The shooter here was heavily vetted by the FBI, DOS, by the Saudi Gov’t and by the DOD/Navy before he was allowed into the program.

They all missed it.

We’ll learn more as the investigation plays out and there’s nothing of value in jumping to unwarranted conclusions much less in thinking we should blow up our relationship with the Saudis over the actions of one guy.

H_Arendt · 2019-12-10T03:00:58.057Z

WildRose:

It was a complete fabrication on your part and we both know it.

Trump is the most inartful speaker we’ve had as POTUS in probably a hundred years or more and rarely thinks through what he’s going to say before blurting it out.

Like it are not the Saudis are key allies and there’s zero evidence to suggest this was state sponsored terrorism.

The shooter here was heavily vetted by the FBI, DOS, by the Saudi Gov’t and by the DOD/Navy before he was allowed into the program.

They all missed it.

We’ll learn more as the investigation plays out and there’s nothing of value in jumping to unwarranted conclusions much less in thinking we should blow up our relationship with the Saudis over the actions of one guy.

The authorities on the scene called it a terrorist incident. What vetting did the Saudis do to send such an extremist to the US for training?

And as to Kashoggi – a US resident murdered. You are silent. And as to Yemen, you are silent.

What do you think the chances are that the Trump clan will ever put up a building in Yemen?

The Saudis are key allies… Other than buying US weapon systems, what in Saudi policy supports are interests. They are the largest supporter of extremist madrassas globally – which is entirely self interest – to keep the extremists from challenging who controls the Two Holy Mosques.

WildRose · 2019-12-10T03:13:35.657Z

H_Arendt:

WildRose:

It was a complete fabrication on your part and we both know it.

Trump is the most inartful speaker we’ve had as POTUS in probably a hundred years or more and rarely thinks through what he’s going to say before blurting it out.

Like it are not the Saudis are key allies and there’s zero evidence to suggest this was state sponsored terrorism.

The shooter here was heavily vetted by the FBI, DOS, by the Saudi Gov’t and by the DOD/Navy before he was allowed into the program.

They all missed it.

We’ll learn more as the investigation plays out and there’s nothing of value in jumping to unwarranted conclusions much less in thinking we should blow up our relationship with the Saudis over the actions of one guy.

The authorities on the scene called it a terrorist incident. What vetting did the Saudis do to send such an extremist to the US for training?

And as to Kashoggi – a US resident murdered. You are silent. And as to Yemen, you are silent.

What do you think the chances are that the Trump clan will ever put up a building in Yemen?

The Saudis are key allies… Other than buying US weapon systems, what in Saudi policy supports are interests. They are the largest supporter of extremist madrassas globally – which is entirely self interest – to keep the extremists from challenging who controls the Two Holy Mosques.

So you want to deflect to rant about everything the Saudis have been involved with? Hell why not go all the way back to 9-11?

Kashogi was a Saudi Citizen, none of our business.

Yemen? Seriously? They are killing terrorists, the more the better.

“Are interests”? They are the only force in the ME other than the US of keeping Iran in check and are a much more reliable ally than Turkey.

Still floating the fabrication that you know Trump’s sucking up to them because he wants to build a Hotel there? Seriously? You made it up, there’s absolutely no evidence to show that he does or that he’s planning to.

I haven’t been silent on any of these subjects, ever, they just don’t matter.

Trump conveyed the condolences of the KoSA, it was respectful on their part and on our part as they are key allies.

If you come up with some evidence that it was a state sponsored act of terror, provide it and we’ll have a discussion.

WildRose · 2019-12-10T03:44:06.551Z

Please cite any post by me ever where I have expressed love for any dictator.

JayJay · 2019-12-10T05:04:10.168Z

Oldandtired:

No the real reason is that the GOP accepted the election of obama and didn’t act like two year olds who did not get their way.
Hill is just another leftist hack no wonder you worship her.

Accepted his election. Lol

Their stated goal was to obstruct absolutely everything he wanted to do. And when they got the power to do so, that’s exactly what they did.

And I supposed we imagined the constant drumbeat of birtherism the CEC played in the background to try and put an air of illegitimate out there.

WildRose · 2019-12-10T06:28:46.374Z

Funny. When republicans got control of congress they took away his checkbook and cut the deficit dramatically. The one thing you guys keep trying to give Obama credit for.

Paul_Thomson · 2019-12-10T06:42:13.086Z

mobulis:

Nope, we the people wanted Hillary.

You don’t live in a parliamentary democracy. Everyone who votes in the US should understand that the presidency is decided by electoral college votes. That’s been the case since the nation was founded. I’m surprised you haven’t learned that in your education.

mobulis · 2019-12-10T08:29:30.178Z

Paul_Thomson:

mobulis:

Nope, we the people wanted Hillary.

You don’t live in a parliamentary democracy. Everyone who votes in the US should understand that the presidency is decided by electoral college votes. That’s been the case since the nation was founded. I’m surprised you haven’t learned that in your education.

Which doesn’t change the fact the people wanted Hillary.