MarkyS
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Why would you say that?
I laid out a LOT of reasons why he would fire Mueller and why he might want to, and they have nothing to do with stopping the investigation and everything to do with the President’s perception of the integrity and fairness - or lack of - of Robert Mueller.
M
Neither do i. And i will speak for others albeit very presumptuous of me to do so. No one onf the right or left will care what happens to him after he leaves office be it two or 6 years from now.
But what i can guarantee is the things he has done, is doing, and will do from now until then will be used as an excuse to do as bad or worse things in the future and that while it may seem good right now depending on your political leaning might seem prudent, will not be so mich so in the coming years.
Reap what you sow comes to mind.
MarkyS
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They were not charged with conspiracy or obstruction. They were charged with LYING UNDER OATH.
If they thought they were trying to obstruct they would have been charged with obstruction.
M
So the guy at the center of an investigation is deciding what is fair of the person investigating him, and that should matter?
Holy hell. We have devolved into a whole new justice system. Imagine if only alleged Joe crack dealer Smith got to decide that Ben Anderson who happens to think crack isnt all that bad got to prosecute his case, rather that Sam Armurger who happens to think crack isnt a good thing which it isnt according to the law.
When did we reach the point where person gets to pick their prosecution.
This garbage is reaching the point where the garbage man is about to go on strike.
I did not know that…but i dont live in fantasy land
No…its a made up term mark…nothing to get over because its a not real
You just asked me if anyone was charged for lying under oath as a gotcha…yet here you are saying they where.
Do you even know what day it is?
What a Jokster you are! Very Funny indeed! Hah!!
Getting a date wrong on accident isnt a process crime and no jury would convict on that. Purposely stating an incorrect date in an attempt to exonerate yourself aka lieing well thats a whole different story.
About how many times does one need to be proven wrong does it take for them to realize they arent going to succeed?
I dont remember. I dont recall
That is why a seasoned attorney tells you not to answer live questions. Who knows you might just tell the truth on accident
MarkyS
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I’m telling you why he wanted to fire Mueller. I don’t CARE whether you think he should or should not fire him. It’s not the issue. The issue is could he want to and NOT be obstructing?
You asserted that he wanted to stop the investigation.
He didn’t. He wanted the investigation to be FAIR and apolitical and he didn’t think Mueller was either.
And Barr sees that his desire to fire him is perfectly understanable, from Trump’s point of view. He also sees that it has nothing to do with stopping the investigation, because he knows that it DOESN’T stop the investigation. It only replaces the Special Counsel with another one. That’s not obstruction. That’s just change.
That’s why NO BILL.
M
That is … a load of garbage. Trump often throws around the word fair. Fair to him means and situation where he doesnt lose.
Was it fair when he was found guilty of rental discrimination in NYC?
Was it fair each and every time a judge has ruled aginst him as the president, etc etc
Dont give that ■■■■■■■■■ I and everyone else with half a brain see past that. I dont give a ■■■■ what Trump thinks is fair.
You dont get to proclaim innocence on the basis that you dont think its fair.
Dont believe me, walk into a court the next time you get a ticket for speeding and try to convince the prosecutor and the judge that you dont think its fair you are getting fined because Joe Schmoe in Indiana was going faster than you.
And ■■■■■■■■ on the assertion he was trying to stop the investigation. He said it himself. “This is the end of my presidency, I’m ■■■■■■■ he said that as Mueller was appointed. Are you asserting he already knew the fairness of Mueller before he even really got started?
The landfill just called and said they arent accepting any more garbage, they are all full.
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MarkyS
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It’s a term that describes a very real crime that happens in the process of an investigation - not a crime that is being investigated.
It hugely significant because it means that those indictments have NOTHING to do with the President and/or his possible conspiracy, else that is what they would have been charged with, and not process crimes.
In and of themselves, they are rarely much more than a slap on the wrist. Papadopoulos got what…14 days?
To try to assign them significance in any attempted obstruction charge against the President - as you did - is dead wrong, however, because they have nothing to do with the President and conspiracy.
Don’t be that duplicitous. It’s not a good look.
M
Blah blah blah.its not a real term…
He couldnt fire mueller…i mean he could but he would have found himself in front of congress…
Lets not go off the rails here. Prior to the current congressional house, there is no way they would have brought him in front of them. Fast forward to today they still wont for two reasons. #1 An election next year, #2 The GOP senators would never vote to remove even if he shot someone on 5th avenue.
At first that might seem like hyperbole, but at this point it may be very well true.
MarkyS
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You’re MISSING the POINT.
It doesn’t matter what you think is or isn’t fair or what Trump thinks is or isn’t fair.
YOU CLAIMED that he wanted to fire Mueller to stop the investigation.
He didn’t. If he wanted to stop the investigation he would have ordered Rod Rosenstein to stop it. That was the only thing that would stop it.
What he wanted was to replace Mueller, as he felt he wasn’t fair and apolitical. Whether you like that he wanted that or whether you think he legally could or couldn’t is IMMATERIAL. It just doesn’t matter.
All that matters is WHY he wanted to have Mueller fired and it has NOTHING to do with stopping the investigation. It CAN’T stop the investigation to do that.
He could legally replace Mueller, in fact. It would have been very costly, politcally, however, which is why McGahn resisted it. And that is also why Barr and Rosenstein see it as no good reason to indict.
All this shows is Trump’s thinking - thinking that is INFORMED by the fact that he knows he is innocent. He is innocent and he is sick and tired of Robert Mueller’s inability or unwillingness to prove that. He wants someone else to get that PROVEN.
It is PERFECTLY understandable, when you realize he is innocent. You would want the same thing for yourself, were you in his position.
M
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I dont know…he fires mueller you could see it…i can see your opinion as well…but i dont know…
And why is mark wrong? In the report mueller states that once trump leaves office if he loses in 2020 that someone cam prosecute trump…
