Trump intended to break up NATO and alliance with South Korea if he was re-elected

[NJBob]

@Ben_Natuf

demanding our allies meet their commitments is dumb?

Not at all. But grandstanding, pretending to be “tough”, plays into Putin’s hands.

An intelligent leader would have done it behind the scenes.

[Guntsu]

@Ben_Natuf

demanding our allies meet their commitments is dumb?

We have military bases on their land, yes I agree they should meet their “commitments” but it’s more bustle then substance the US is not giving up its military foothold in the world.

[Ben_Natuf]

lol… “intelligent” leaders have been trying for decades. how’d that work? trump got it done.

[Ben_Natuf]

so what? they still have to meet their commitments. as i recall when the subject of redepolying troops out of germany into poland came up it was germany that had a hissy. apparently the economic impact of removing them would cost them money… so let them pay.

[NJBob]

@Ben_Natuf

lol… “intelligent” leaders have been trying for decades. how’d that work? trump got it done.

He sure did, Putin has never been more emboldened.

[WuWei]

@FreeAndClear

@Paul_Thomson

That’s some of the flakiest revisionist political fantasy writing I’ve ever read on this forum.

Was that lifted from a satire site?

" Trump had privately indicated ," That sounds convincing.

Was he an isolationist or not?

No. He was a “trade with all, entangling alliances with none” guy.

[Call_me_Ishmael]

@Supreme_War_Pig

@Liberty323

I honestly do not. With modern weaponry I think we can help our allies very quickly without having a dues-paying membership. If our allies ask for help and Congress gives the ok, so be it.
I don’t agree with permanent alliances with other countries.

Interesting. I think the fact of the alliance gives peace of mind. Without that, Europe may feel exposed, and just knuckle under.

Alliances were the gears of the time bomb that began the hellish “war to end all wars” …WW1.

[Supreme_War_Pig]

@Paul_Thomson

@Supreme_War_Pig

That seems fair. To the broader question: you do see NATO as useful, and we should remain engaged. Yes?

How about a new alliance of like-minded nations who believe in smaller central government and greater individual freedom.

Maybe call it “Alliance 1776”.

Well, that is kind of silly. NATO is an international alliance. If Russia kicks it off, it won’t matter if the victim states are socialist or not.

[Supreme_War_Pig]

@Call_me_Ishmael

@Supreme_War_Pig

@Liberty323

I honestly do not. With modern weaponry I think we can help our allies very quickly without having a dues-paying membership. If our allies ask for help and Congress gives the ok, so be it.
I don’t agree with permanent alliances with other countries.

Interesting. I think the fact of the alliance gives peace of mind. Without that, Europe may feel exposed, and just knuckle under.

Alliances were the gears of the time bomb that began the hellish “war to end all wars” …WW1.

That was only one factor, and alliances have kept the peace in Europe througout history.

All in all: weak.

[Call_me_Ishmael]

@Supreme_War_Pig

@Call_me_Ishmael

@Supreme_War_Pig

@Liberty323

I honestly do not. With modern weaponry I think we can help our allies very quickly without having a dues-paying membership. If our allies ask for help and Congress gives the ok, so be it.
I don’t agree with permanent alliances with other countries.

Interesting. I think the fact of the alliance gives peace of mind. Without that, Europe may feel exposed, and just knuckle under.

Alliances were the gears of the time bomb that began the hellish “war to end all wars” …WW1.

That was only one factor, and alliances have kept the peace in Europe througout history.

All in all: weak.

Like in WW2.

[FreeAndClear]

@WuWei

@FreeAndClear

@Paul_Thomson

That’s some of the flakiest revisionist political fantasy writing I’ve ever read on this forum.

Was that lifted from a satire site?

" Trump had privately indicated ," That sounds convincing.

Was he an isolationist or not?

No. He was a “trade with all, entangling alliances with none” guy.

TPP was a trade agreement in part. All!

[WuWei]

@FreeAndClear

TPP was a trade agreement in part. All!

Such small, small thinking.

[FreeAndClear]

@WuWei

@FreeAndClear

TPP was a trade agreement in part. All!

Such small, small thinking.

More accusations of myopic views from the everything about this one thing crowd.

[WuWei]

@FreeAndClear

@WuWei

@FreeAndClear

TPP was a trade agreement in part. All!

Such small, small thinking.

More accusations of myopic views from the everything about this one thing crowd.

Lack of understanding of geopolitics and 9 million ton gorillas.

[FreeAndClear]

@WuWei

@FreeAndClear

@WuWei

@FreeAndClear

TPP was a trade agreement in part. All!

Such small, small thinking.

More accusations of myopic views from the everything about this one thing crowd.

Lack of understanding of geopolitics and 9 million ton gorillas.

Disagreement about geopolitics. What did Australia do with the void? Which country is more likely to fill the void

You don’t have to answer. The answer will be MAGA and America first. … of course

That’s of course not isolationist pfft

[WuWei]

@FreeAndClear

Disagreement about geopolitics. What did Australia do with the void? Which country is more likely to fill the void

You don’t have to answer. The answer will be MAGA and America first. … of course

That’s of course not isolationist pfft

The US is not Australia, the US is the largest consumer market in the world.

Australia is not an Asian country.

China decides what happens in Asia. Not the US, not Australia, not Japan.

For example, what would keep the other nation members of TPP from voting China in after we signed it? Nothing.

[FreeAndClear]

@WuWei

@FreeAndClear

Disagreement about geopolitics. What did Australia do with the void? Which country is more likely to fill the void

You don’t have to answer. The answer will be MAGA and America first. … of course

That’s of course not isolationist pfft

The US is not Australia, the US is the largest consumer market in the world.

Australia is not an Asian country.

China decides what happens in Asia. Not the US, not Australia, not Japan.

For example, what would keep the other nation members of TPP from voting China in after we signed it? Nothing.

How you think that this isn’t an isolationist stance is beyond my understanding. But i guess quite a few things are when it comes to how you guys arrive at your conclusions.

[WuWei]

@FreeAndClear

How you think that this isn’t an isolationist stance is beyond my understanding. But i guess quite a few things are when it comes to how you guys arrive at your conclusions.

Why do you think an “isolationist stance” from China is bad?

[Call_me_Ishmael]

@FreeAndClear

You don’t have to answer. The answer will be MAGA and America first. … of course

That’s of course not isolationist pfft

Binary thinking.

There are degrees. And there is conditional isolationism. So long as MAGA is behind an interaction with a foreign country, I support it. And that bolded A in MAGA? In my version, it stands for Americans

[Supreme_War_Pig]

@FreeAndClear

@WuWei

@FreeAndClear

TPP was a trade agreement in part. All!

Such small, small thinking.

More accusations of myopic views from the everything about this one thing crowd.

What does this mean?