Trump Indictment Outcome Predictions

Samm · 2023-06-21T20:35:28.346Z

Nemesis:

Good point about Fords pardon of Nixon. Could it be that Nixon had resigned?

Not sure I agree with your thought exercise and ultimately if someone is pardoned, they will forevermore be known as the individual that committed a crime who then received a presidential pardon.

Its not as if everyone magically forgets that Nixon was guilty of the crimes he committed or that he resigned as a result of this.

The Ford pardon of Nixon precluded what is happening with Trump today. Nixon’s roll in the Watergate cover up could have just as easily resulted in an acquittal as a conviction, regardless of whether he resigned or was impeached and removed. The point is, guilt was never established nor admitted in his acceptance of the pardon.

What people think following a pardon is no different than what they think following a jury acquittal. Take OJ Simpson for example. Public opinion on such proceedings is highly variable, flighting and has no bearing on legal opinion. In other words, let 'em eat cake.

Samm · 2023-06-21T20:45:08.922Z

FreeAndClear:

Oh gosh i hope you guys never run out of euphemisms.
These are some epic ones.

Clearly you are not familiar with the Espionage Act.

https://www.mtsu.edu/first-amendment/article/1045/espionage-act-of-1917

FreeAndClear · 2023-06-21T21:15:11.325Z

Espionage act isn’t a cool euphemism like memorabilia snafu so no thank you.

biggestal99 · 2023-06-21T21:48:20.384Z

Samm:

Trying to put words in my mouth is not a question Alan, it’s trolling.

not trolling, just trying to find out where you stand.

its not that difficult a question that i posed.

Allan

DougBH · 2023-06-21T22:25:59.292Z

FreeAndClear:

Espionage act isn’t a cool euphemism like memorabilia snafu so no thank you.

Do you think Trump committed espionage in the normal usage of that word?

Samm · 2023-06-21T22:30:26.553Z

biggestal99:

Samm:

Trying to put words in my mouth is not a question Alan, it’s trolling.

not trolling, just trying to find out where you stand.

its not that difficult a question that i posed.

Nope … trolling. Just like you are doing now.

Samm · 2023-06-21T22:31:31.229Z

FreeAndClear:

Espionage act isn’t a cool euphemism like memorabilia snafu so no thank you.

It is when you actually read the law and compare it to the legal definition of espionage.

It’s like the infamous Patriot Act … there is nothing patriotic about it.

DougBH · 2023-06-21T22:36:34.063Z

The inflation reduction act somehow comes to mind.

kingarthur65 · 2023-06-21T22:50:58.219Z

toreyj01:

My prediction is Trump is found guilty on this and several other charges and trials, although I cannot imagine he will be imprisoned. House arrest sounds more likely.

Ideally, I would like Biden to offer Trump a deal.

Trumps pleads guilty

Agrees to never seek public office again

House Confinement for 2 years is all he will need to serve.

Biden also agrees to drop out of the '24 race, since he is only doing it to stop Trump.

Who agrees this is the best of all outcomes?

Sounds reasonable but don’t forget the NY state court case. I expect that to have a similar outcome to the charges to the Trump Foundation.

Supreme_War_Pig · 2023-06-21T22:57:17.039Z

Also, don’t forget the case where my bet is: the great state of Georgia, and the election interference.

kingarthur65 · 2023-06-21T23:02:05.587Z

Supreme_War_Pig:

Also, don’t forget the case where my bet is: the great state of Georgia, and the election interference.

Of course. Who could forget the Georgia RICO case.

FreeAndClear · 2023-06-21T23:06:25.812Z

DougBH:

FreeAndClear:

Espionage act isn’t a cool euphemism like memorabilia snafu so no thank you.

Do you think Trump committed espionage in the normal usage of that word?

Not even close

LeroyBrown · 2023-06-22T10:15:21.079Z

DougBH:

Do you think Trump committed espionage in the normal usage of that word?

I think Former President Trump did a Trump all while his theme song “And I can do whatever I like” played in his head.

toreyj01 · 2023-06-22T14:07:15.629Z

Samm:

FreeAndClear:

Espionage act isn’t a cool euphemism like memorabilia snafu so no thank you.

It is when you actually read the law and compare it to the legal definition of espionage.

It’s like the infamous Patriot Act … there is nothing patriotic about it.

No one is accusing Trump of Espionage, that is simply the name of the act and it encompasses many different crimes. One of which is willingly removing classified material and obstructing their retrieval.

SixFoot · 2023-06-22T14:11:01.472Z

Camp:

LOL…They walked right into that one.

Espionage sounds so much sinister than memorabilia snafu.

The triggers are like picking on a small autistic kid. Stop that.

DougBH · 2023-06-22T15:51:50.348Z

LeroyBrown:

DougBH:

Do you think Trump committed espionage in the normal usage of that word?

I think Former President Trump did a Trump all while his theme song “And I can do whatever I like” played in his head.

I could live easily with the jury going either way. Any punishment should be way below those possible because this was no threat to national security like the prosecutor pretends, it was just Trump not letting anybody tell him what to do.
And we would still have the issue of selective prosecution and weaponization unless Biden is charged for hiding similar documents for a longer time, which were taken when he wasn’t even President. (And yes, they could delay prosecution until Biden is no longer President)

LeroyBrown · 2023-06-22T17:20:26.381Z

DougBH:

I could live easily with the jury going either way. Any punishment should be way below those possible because this was no threat to national security like the prosecutor pretends, it was just Trump not letting anybody tell him what to do.
And we would still have the issue of selective prosecution and weaponization unless Biden is charged for hiding similar documents for a longer time, which were taken when he wasn’t even President. (And yes, they could delay prosecution until Biden is no longer President)

I don’t think there was any malicious intent on Former President Trump’s part.

I do think something needs to be done to stop EVERYONE who is mishandling classified materials that have nothing to do with actual presidential records. It’s a serious issue that shouldn’t be relegated to what is right and wrong based on the initial behind someone’s name.

conan · 2023-06-22T17:57:25.980Z

toreyj01:

No one is accusing Trump of Espionage

Someone hasn’t been paying attention to what their side is saying.

https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/3598732-trump-suspected-of-violating-espionage-act-according-to-released-search-warrant/

Roll Call – 12 Aug 22

Mar-a-Lago search focused on espionage, destruction of records - Roll Call

Trump is under investigation for violations of the Espionage Act, as well as obstruction of justice, according to documents unsealed Friday.

Est. reading time: 5 minutes

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-06-13/trump-heads-to-court-to-start-fighting-espionage-act-charges

So my question to you…why are they claiming Trump is being charged under Espionage act?

DougBH · 2023-06-22T19:25:58.458Z

He is. It’s just that the espionage act covers a lot of things that no one thinks of as espionage. Think Inflation Reduction Act. The Hill article is correct, Trump is being charged under that act. The Rollcall headline is bogus. Trump isn’t suspected of espionage.

Samm · 2023-06-22T20:34:05.438Z

toreyj01:

Samm:

FreeAndClear:

Espionage act isn’t a cool euphemism like memorabilia snafu so no thank you.

It is when you actually read the law and compare it to the legal definition of espionage.

It’s like the infamous Patriot Act … there is nothing patriotic about it.

No one is accusing Trump of Espionage, that is simply the name of the act and it encompasses many different crimes. One of which is willingly removing classified material and obstructing their retrieval.

You have got to be kidding. The word espionage in relation to his alleged crimes is bantered about by his enemies continually. “His actions threatened our national security!”