Trump ignores court ruling that he can’t block critics on Twitter

WorldWatcher · 2018-05-28T12:29:03.574Z

Just think, if Dennison had used the @POTUS account for government business (offical announcements, policy statements, reactions to the news media about the President) and his @realDonalTrump account for personal things (like his preferred brand of spray on orange tan spray, his hand size, his latest golf score, etc.) then this wouldn’t have been an issue.

If you are going to use your Twitter account in as a function of government communications - don’t be surprised when government type restrictions are placed on the use of the account.

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johnwk2 · 2018-05-28T16:06:03.535Z

SottoVoce:

CassandraJoe:

Seems you got this backwards…

Trump ignores court ruling that he can’t block critics on Twitter - #18 by SottoVoce

Its not a judge restricting the President of the United States’ freedom of speech, its the Executive Branch of the United States Government restricting the freedom of speech of other Americans.

No, it’s a judge saying that Trump’s twitter account is now being used in an official government capacity and that everyone is entitled access to it. The government can’t block public communications to specific individuals.

This nitwit judge, U.S. District Judge Naomi Reice Buchwald, is alleging the First Amendment forbids President Trump to block critics on his personal Twitter account. Keep in mind the complainants in the case did not assert being blocked on any official government accounts, e.g., @WhiteHouse. The account in question has been in use by Trump several years before running for president, and lately is used by Trump to call out Fake News, Russia-gate, and comment on other political issues of the day. It is not used for official government purposes as is, e.g., @POTUS is used for official government business.

As pointed out in an article titled: Is It Really Illegal for Trump to Block People on Twitter Now?

”The judge’s logic turns the traditional way of viewing the First Amendment on its head: Your right to free speech doesn’t extend to a right to make someone else, even a politician you have good reason to loathe, listen to you. The Supreme Court expanded on this in a 1984 case, ruling that a “person’s right to speak is not infringed when government simply ignores that person while listening to others.”

In this case, MINNESOTA BD. FOR COMMUNITY COLLEGES v. KNIGHT, (1984), JUSTICE O’CONNOR wrote:

” Appellees have no constitutional right to force the government to listen to their views. They have no such right as members of the public, as government employees, or as instructors in an institution of higher education.

The Constitution does not grant to members of the public generally a right to be heard by public bodies making decisions of policy. In Bi-Metallic Investment Co. v. State Board of Equalization, 239 U.S. 441 (1915), this Court rejected a claim to such a right founded on the Due Process [465 U.S. 271, 284] Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment. “

In the instant case the complainants are free to setup a Twitter account and complain all they want about President Trump and likewise free to block opposing points of view, and our Constitution prohibits interfering with this fundamental right ___ a right which even extends to President Trump, as much as he is hated by our nitwit “Never Trump Crowd”.

U.S. District Judge Naomi Reice Buchwald needs to take her dog-and-pony show elsewhere, perhaps to Cuba or Venezuela where dictators will embrace her with open arms.

JWK

Without a Fifth Column Media, Yellow Journalism, Hollywood, and a corrupted FBI, Loretta Lynch, Hillary Clinton and Barack Hussein Obama, would be making license tags in a federal penitentiary

SottoVoce · 2018-05-28T20:20:10.595Z

Is this some sort of proof by verbosity attempt? If so you win. Not really the manifesto reading kind of guy.

johnwk2 · 2018-05-28T21:53:58.596Z

[quote=“SottoVoce, post:78, topic:1115, full:true”]
Is this some sort of proof by verbosity attempt? [/quote]

TRANSLATION:

You can’t offer a well-reasoned rebuttal to THE POST so you post a mocking response ___ a very old and tired stupid debating trick.

JWK

"The public welfare demands that constitutional cases must be decided according to the terms of the Constitution itself, and not according to judges’ views of fairness, reasonableness, or justice." – Justice Hugo L. Black ( U.S. Supreme Court Justice, 1886 - 1971) Source: Lecture, Columbia University, 1968

SottoVoce · 2018-05-28T23:29:24.648Z

[quote=“johnwk2, post:79, topic:1115, full:true”]

SottoVoce:

Is this some sort of proof by verbosity attempt? [/quote]

TRANSLATION:

You can’t offer a well-reasoned rebuttal to THE POST so you post a mocking response ___ a very old and tired stupid debating trick.

JWK

"The public welfare demands that constitutional cases must be decided according to the terms of the Constitution itself, and not according to judges’ views of fairness, reasonableness, or justice." – Justice Hugo L. Black ( U.S. Supreme Court Justice, 1886 - 1971) Source: Lecture, Columbia University, 1968

I gave my reasoning earlier. With a link to, and citations of, the judge’s ruling. The text diarrhea came after that. If you can’t make a succinct response in a paragraph or two, without the italics/underline/bold trifecta, you probably don’t have a point to make.

CaughtInTheMiddle · 2018-05-29T11:05:35.549Z

CassandraJoe:

So you would prefer the President of the United States dictate the rules by which we communicate (and silence those who voice any opposition to him)

i think that’s exactly what some people want.

at the moment.

johnwk2 · 2018-05-29T11:55:42.923Z

SottoVoce:

I gave my reasoning earlier. With a link to, and citations of, the judge’s ruling. The text diarrhea came after that. If you can’t make a succinct response in a paragraph or two, without the italics/underline/bold trifecta, you probably don’t have a point to make.

As I correctly pointed out, you can’t offer a well-reasoned rebuttal toTHIS POST so you post a mocking response ___ a very old and tired stupid debating trick.

And as is usually the case with you, you once again find it necessary to post an adolescent remark.

JWK

The unavoidable truth is, our Fifth Column democrat political leaders’ plan for “free” college tuition will be paid for by confiscating and redistributing the paychecks of millions of college graduates who worked for and paid their own way through college and are now trying to finance their own economic needs.

SottoVoce · 2018-05-29T12:24:40.541Z

johnwk2:

SottoVoce:

I gave my reasoning earlier. With a link to, and citations of, the judge’s ruling. The text diarrhea came after that. If you can’t make a succinct response in a paragraph or two, without the italics/underline/bold trifecta, you probably don’t have a point to make.

As I correctly pointed out, you can’t offer a well-reasoned rebuttal toTHIS POST so you post a mocking response ___ a very old and tired stupid debating trick.

And as is usually the case with you, you once again find it necessary to post an adolescent remark.

JWK

The unavoidable truth is, our Fifth Column democrat political leaders’ plan for “free” college tuition will be paid for by confiscating and redistributing the paychecks of millions of college graduates who worked for and paid their own way through college and are now trying to finance their own economic needs.

Yep. You win. Good luck with those newspaper editors.

CaughtInTheMiddle · 2018-05-29T12:29:26.191Z

SottoVoce:

The text diarrhea came after that.

Call_me_Ishmael · 2018-05-29T13:35:42.291Z

WorldWatcher:

Just think, if Dennison had used the @POTUS account for government business (offical anno

Is Dennison and Barry Soetoro from the same hometown?

CaughtInTheMiddle · 2018-05-29T14:15:42.579Z

Call_me_Ishmael:

Is Dennison and Barry Soetoro from the same hometown?

no. Trump (and his two aliases) are from New York. Obama (whose mom marrried Lolo Soetoro) was born in Hawaii.

johnwk2 · 2018-05-31T18:54:46.154Z

SottoVoce:

johnwk2:

SottoVoce:

I gave my reasoning earlier. With a link to, and citations of, the judge’s ruling. The text diarrhea came after that. If you can’t make a succinct response in a paragraph or two, without the italics/underline/bold trifecta, you probably don’t have a point to make.

As I correctly pointed out, you can’t offer a well-reasoned rebuttal toTHIS POST so you post a mocking response ___ a very old and tired stupid debating trick.

And as is usually the case with you, you once again find it necessary to post an adolescent remark.

JWK

The unavoidable truth is, our Fifth Column democrat political leaders’ plan for “free” college tuition will be paid for by confiscating and redistributing the paychecks of millions of college graduates who worked for and paid their own way through college and are now trying to finance their own economic needs.

Yep. You win. Good luck with those newspaper editors.

There is no “luck” to be had. Fifth Column newspaper editors have an agenda, and that agenda does not include publishing truth and facts which expose their propaganda for what it is.

JWK

Without a Fifth Column Media, Yellow Journalism, Hollywood, and a corrupted FBI, Loretta Lynch, Hillary Clinton and Barack Hussein Obama, would be making license tags in a federal penitentiary

johnwk2 · 2018-06-02T12:03:56.685Z

CassandraJoe:

So you would prefer the President of the United States dictate the rules by which we communicate (and silence those who voice any opposition to him) rather than a Federal Judge.

Particularly when its a Conservative President.

Sounds odd…for all your bluster about the 1789 Constitution and the Federalist Papers, you really seem to want a King to dictate to us.

So, why do you find it necessary to make an unsubstantiated and absurd comment?

JWK

markdido · 2018-06-02T19:14:56.696Z

CassandraJoe:

johnwk2:

…Do we really want judges or Justices meddling in and dictating rules by which we communicate? I know they do that in places like Cuba and Venezuela, but do we really want that here?

Judge, NAOMI REICE BUCHWALD apparently wants to exercise that authority and power.

So, why do you find it necessary to make an unsubstantiated and absurd comment?

Wicked comeback.

Cracker?

Yakshi · 2018-06-02T19:52:43.264Z

SottoVoce:

Is this some sort of proof by verbosity attempt? If so you win. Not really the manifesto reading kind of guy

Many of his arguments are cut and pastes of vast sections of court opinions that he doesn’t understand and in which he often presents dicta as a universal rule for America.

Never mind that on occasion he is quoting an opinion that has been ovrrruled in part or whole and is irrelevant anyway.

Point any of that out and for a reward expect his responses to get longer and less coherent.

WuWei · 2018-06-02T20:02:04.555Z

and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

O’Connor? Seriously?

WuWei · 2018-06-02T20:08:19.663Z

Yeah, Hawaii, Kenya.

johnwk2 · 2018-06-04T11:03:25.055Z

Yakshi:

SottoVoce:

Is this some sort of proof by verbosity attempt? If so you win. Not really the manifesto reading kind of guy

Many of his arguments are cut and pastes of vast sections of court opinions that he doesn’t understand and in which he often presents dicta as a universal rule for America.

Never mind that on occasion he is quoting an opinion that has been ovrrruled in part or whole and is irrelevant anyway.

Point any of that out and for a reward expect his responses to get longer and less coherent.

As is usually the case with you, you make a number of unsubstantiated assertions.

JWK

"The Constitution is the act of the people, speaking in their original character, and defining the permanent conditions of the social alliance; and there can be no doubt on the point with us, that every act of the legislative power contrary to the true intent and meaning of the Constitution, is absolutely null and void. ___ Chancellor James Kent, in his Commentaries on American Law (1858)

Yakshi · 2018-06-12T08:31:02.689Z

Have your nutty ideas ever convinced anybody of anything?

WorldWatcher · 2018-06-12T11:25:41.105Z

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Just a couple of things…

#1 It appears that Trump didn’t ignore the court. Multiple people that were blocked are now unblocked.

#2 I find it interesting that Trump who uses the account to announce presidential policy, fire government employees, attack political opponents, etc. - but claims it is a private account even though used for government purposes - IS USING DOJ (i.e. government lawyers) to appeal the ruling.
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“WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. Justice Department said on Monday it would appeal against a federal judge’s ruling that President Donald Trump may not legally block Twitter users from his account on the social media platform based on their political views, according to a court filing.”

U.S. – 5 Jun 18

U.S. appeals against ruling that Trump could not block Twitter followers

The U.S. Justice Department said on Monday it would appeal against a federal judge's ruling that President Donald Trump may not legally block Twitter users from his account on the social media platform based on their political views, according to a...

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