Trump going to the border. Where's Chuck and Nancy?


#88

The OP was designed to provoke, not to be intellectually honest.


#89

Why do you think a random border patrol agent knows the most cost-effective way to provide total border security?

Please explain your reasoning other than the hand-picked ones we’ve heard from agree with Trump.

Please explain the REAL results of the survey of the Border Patrol, which stated nothing like support for a grandiose border wll that Trump envisions, but only the same types of strategic fencing that Democrats and Republicns have both supported in the past.

Would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.


#90

The NY times is not a reliable source. They are certainly not unbiased. There is zero degrees of separation from the NY times and the DNC. They are one and the same. If asked if a wall has improved security in areas where a wall exists, what does the border patrol say? They say yes. By at least 90 percent.


#92

[quote=“altair1013, post:90, topic:108712”]
The NY times is not a reliable source. They are certainly not unbiased. There is zero degrees of separation from the NY times and the DNC. They are one and the same. If asked if a wall has improved security in areas where a wall exists, what does the border patrol say? They say yes. By at least 90 percent.
[/quote] Right…Trump says whatever he wants, without sources to back him up…totally credible.
An article in the NYT, using a govt study based on internal Customs and Border Protection documents…fake news.

Confirmation Bias…thy name is Altair.


#93

Will Hurd R-TX, whose district covers more of the border than anyone else’s opposed the wall


#94

Why are the “experts” hanging out in McAllen, Texas? Wouldn’t they be in Washington where their expertise is useful?


#95

There’s not a single person in Congress (R&D alike) whose district is on the border that supports the Wall. But it’s an emergency…


#96

How about Trump talking to federal workers?


#97

I am going to have to disagree with your assessment.

The experts are folks who have a career in security design and engineers. Some may work in DHS. Do we know if some of the experts from DHS are coming to the border with President Trump?


#98

Where does this evaluation of the Times come from? Source, please.


#99

Ha. There were only 310,000 people apprehended at the border for illegal entry into this country in 2017. We know that border patrol apprehends nearly all attempted entrants. That insignificant amount is only equivalent to the population of St Louis attempting to illegally enter the county every year. This is clearly not a problem; resources would be better utilized elsewhere.

2017 Report


#101

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Maybe someone with better Google Fu can find the raw report on the National Border Patrol Council survey which means Border Patrol agents support barriers in strategic locations.

All I’ve been able to find are new stories.

Maybe the raw survey would convince some that quote is accurate.

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#102

And it’s very wet.


#103

Source please. Thanks.


#104

It won’t convince anyone in Trumpland. They’ve already made up their minds, and anything that disputes their belief in the infallibility of Trump is automatically registered as ‘fake news’.


#105

An interesting fact…the Coast Guard is not getting paid…here are some helpful tips for them to get by:


#106

That seems to always be the case.


#107

We have heard “real border experts” say we need a wall and we have had “real border experts” say we do not need a wall…are you saying you are only going to pay attention to the “real border experts” who agree with what you want to believe? (which, of course, is what tiny trump tells you to believe)


#109

Well, he knows more than anyone else about everything. Just ask him.


#110

A normal Congress (i.e., not the previous, irresponsible Republican-led 115th) brings the experts to Washington, to testify at hearings on an important matter like Trump’s proposed wall. Republicans didn’t hold any hearings because the results would expose the wall for what it is: a stupid campaign promise made by an ignorant man, and a proposed expensive monument to stupidity. Experts would explain in DC, in public, what they’ve explained when asked: there are far better, more effective ways to spend money on border security than this boondoggle.