Trump campaign files first lawsuit in PA; Barr announces probe into fraud questions

[conan]

@JayJay

Trump is destroying our democratic norms one chip at a time.

Too late…libs have already done it long time ago.

[enki]

@conan

@JayJay

Trump is destroying our democratic norms one chip at a time.

Too late…libs have already done it long time ago.

Nefarious reasons.

[PurpnGold]

@conan

Must have been asleep during the great Russian hoax…

Waaaaaaaay more evidence during the “Russia Hoax” than for this voter fraud claim.

Trump claimed fraud in 2016 after winning. Why don’t cons get that they are being conned?

[conan]

Actually after Penn CNN beat FOX to the call.

[WuWei]

@PurpnGold

Waaaaaaaay more evidence during the “Russia Hoax” than for this voter fraud claim.

Good one.

[conan]

@PurpnGold

Waaaaaaaay more evidence during the “Russia Hoax” than for this voter fraud claim.

Right…your bias is showing.

[Borgia_dude]

@Borgia_dude

@RTchoke

@Jezcoe

None of this is going to change the result of the election.

This is a transparent move to delegitimize the Biden administration. That’s all.

It is a dangerous game that the GOP is playing here.

Making sure the election was fair with no fraud is dangerous?

Why wouldn’t libs want that?

It may not change the outcome but the basic tenant that our elections be fair should be something everyone embraces?

I’m more concerned about people who don;t want anyone to know if there were irregularities or fraus.

That is what is dangerous.

You seem reasonable so I will ask. Is it dangerous to say there was massive voter fraud and Trump won the election BEFORE the investigation? Heck, I have no issue with recounts and investigations. Investigate away. But by the time those investigations are finished, Republican leaders have been pounding “massive voter fraud” into the heads of their followers and it will be a bit difficult for them to walk it back.

You know this, right? Isn’t it a problem?

Trying again for a response.

[Zander]

@conan

@Zander

It doesn’t matter.

Doesn’t matter?

The feeling is more important than whatever number is chosen. Trust me on this. It’s about the feelings.

[PurpnGold]

@WuWei

Good one.

Russia Hacking
Roger Stone getting hacked materials
Manafort giving polling data to Russia

That’s just 3.

How many valid claims of voter fraud in 2020? Zero.

[PurpnGold]

@conan

Right…your bias is showing.

How much evidence was presented for voter fraud claims in court?

[conan]

They have affidavits from actual people…what did libs have from great Russian hoax?

That’s right…nothing!

[RTchoke]

@Borgia_dude

@Borgia_dude

@RTchoke

@Jezcoe

None of this is going to change the result of the election.

This is a transparent move to delegitimize the Biden administration. That’s all.

It is a dangerous game that the GOP is playing here.

Making sure the election was fair with no fraud is dangerous?

Why wouldn’t libs want that?

It may not change the outcome but the basic tenant that our elections be fair should be something everyone embraces?

I’m more concerned about people who don;t want anyone to know if there were irregularities or fraus.

That is what is dangerous.

You seem reasonable so I will ask. Is it dangerous to say there was massive voter fraud and Trump won the election BEFORE the investigation? Heck, I have no issue with recounts and investigations. Investigate away. But by the time those investigations are finished, Republican leaders have been pounding “massive voter fraud” into the heads of their followers and it will be a bit difficult for them to walk it back.

You know this, right? Isn’t it a problem?

Trying again for a response.

Sorry, I missed your reply.

He can say what he wants. It’s not dangerous. It may not be wise and it may be hyperbole on the part of some but he and they have that right.

There are always going to be some who will always contend the massive voter fraud you mention.

Just like there are some to this day who still insist Trump is a Russian asset.

You will never change some of the minds on either side. Continuing to claim they have no right to investigate will only cement those concerns. That is why I say let it play out and then go from there.

[Zander]

@RTchoke

@Borgia_dude

@Borgia_dude

@RTchoke

@Jezcoe

None of this is going to change the result of the election.

This is a transparent move to delegitimize the Biden administration. That’s all.

It is a dangerous game that the GOP is playing here.

Making sure the election was fair with no fraud is dangerous?

Why wouldn’t libs want that?

It may not change the outcome but the basic tenant that our elections be fair should be something everyone embraces?

I’m more concerned about people who don;t want anyone to know if there were irregularities or fraus.

That is what is dangerous.

You seem reasonable so I will ask. Is it dangerous to say there was massive voter fraud and Trump won the election BEFORE the investigation? Heck, I have no issue with recounts and investigations. Investigate away. But by the time those investigations are finished, Republican leaders have been pounding “massive voter fraud” into the heads of their followers and it will be a bit difficult for them to walk it back.

You know this, right? Isn’t it a problem?

Trying again for a response.

Sorry, I missed your reply.

He can say what he wants. It’s not dangerous. It may not be wise and it may be hyperbole on the part of some but he and they have that right.

There are always going to be some who will always contend the massive voter fraud you mention.

Just like there are some to this day who still insist Trump is a Russian asset.

You will never change some of the minds on either side. Continuing to claim they have no right to investigate will only cement those concerns. That is why I say let it play out and then go from there.

When you explain it that way, your position at least makes more sense. Thanks.

[RTchoke]

My position has always been the same. Some just refuse to actually listen.

Both sides have a right to certain actions. You don’t have to like it, you don’t have to agree with the arguments, but to insist they should not exert that right or have no business doing so, is wrong.

[Borgia_dude]

@RTchoke

@Borgia_dude

@Borgia_dude

@RTchoke

@Jezcoe

None of this is going to change the result of the election.

This is a transparent move to delegitimize the Biden administration. That’s all.

It is a dangerous game that the GOP is playing here.

Making sure the election was fair with no fraud is dangerous?

Why wouldn’t libs want that?

It may not change the outcome but the basic tenant that our elections be fair should be something everyone embraces?

I’m more concerned about people who don;t want anyone to know if there were irregularities or fraus.

That is what is dangerous.

You seem reasonable so I will ask. Is it dangerous to say there was massive voter fraud and Trump won the election BEFORE the investigation? Heck, I have no issue with recounts and investigations. Investigate away. But by the time those investigations are finished, Republican leaders have been pounding “massive voter fraud” into the heads of their followers and it will be a bit difficult for them to walk it back.

You know this, right? Isn’t it a problem?

Trying again for a response.

Sorry, I missed your reply.

He can say what he wants. It’s not dangerous. It may not be wise and it may be hyperbole on the part of some but he and they have that right.

There are always going to be some who will always contend the massive voter fraud you mention.

Just like there are some to this day who still insist Trump is a Russian asset.

You will never change some of the minds on either side. Continuing to claim they have no right to investigate will only cement those concerns. That is why I say let it play out and then go from there.

You should note I supported any investigations. Is it right for our political leaders to declare there was fraud before the investigation? Not whether they have the right. We agree they have the right. But is it the right thing to do? I say no. If investigations come up empty all you have done is convince people of an untruth. And the danger is that it undermines faith in our elections. Not good in the long run.

[RTchoke]

@Borgia_dude

@RTchoke

@Borgia_dude

@Borgia_dude

@RTchoke

@Jezcoe

None of this is going to change the result of the election.

This is a transparent move to delegitimize the Biden administration. That’s all.

It is a dangerous game that the GOP is playing here.

Making sure the election was fair with no fraud is dangerous?

Why wouldn’t libs want that?

It may not change the outcome but the basic tenant that our elections be fair should be something everyone embraces?

I’m more concerned about people who don;t want anyone to know if there were irregularities or fraus.

That is what is dangerous.

You seem reasonable so I will ask. Is it dangerous to say there was massive voter fraud and Trump won the election BEFORE the investigation? Heck, I have no issue with recounts and investigations. Investigate away. But by the time those investigations are finished, Republican leaders have been pounding “massive voter fraud” into the heads of their followers and it will be a bit difficult for them to walk it back.

You know this, right? Isn’t it a problem?

Trying again for a response.

Sorry, I missed your reply.

He can say what he wants. It’s not dangerous. It may not be wise and it may be hyperbole on the part of some but he and they have that right.

There are always going to be some who will always contend the massive voter fraud you mention.

Just like there are some to this day who still insist Trump is a Russian asset.

You will never change some of the minds on either side. Continuing to claim they have no right to investigate will only cement those concerns. That is why I say let it play out and then go from there.

You should note I supported any investigations. Is it right for our political leaders to declare there was fraud before the investigation? Not whether they have the right. We agree they have the right. But is it the right thing to do? I say no. If investigations come up empty all you have done is convince people of an untruth. And the danger is that it undermines faith in our elections. Not good in the long run.

Yes, I know you did.

The faith was undermined long before the elections when the questions were raised about the mail in ballot procedures and the arbitrary changing of election laws hence some of the legal claims.

Refusing to address those beforehand and then telling everyone to ignore what is happening now with the calling for of investigations by many on one side is only making it worse.

They may be calling fraud based on what they have seen set before them. That is why the investigation should continue to either discount/explain the issues they seek to clarify or to uphold those claims.

You are basically saying they have the right to claim fraud but they must do it behind the scenes and under cover instead of out in the open.

Which is more dangerous? Darkness or light?

[Borgia_dude]

@RTchoke

You are basically saying they have the right to claim fraud but they must do it behind the scenes and under cover instead of out in the open.

Which is more dangerous? Darkness or light?

The investigations will be out in the open. We will have to disagree here. All the Republicans decrying fraud BEFORE any investigation is incredibly corrosive to the system in my opinion. Let the investigations occur, in the light of day, and dictate what they should be saying.

Let me ask, if the investigations come back empty, will it have been incredibly irresponsible for Republicans to be shouting “fraud”?

[RTchoke]

If they come back clean, then they need to let it go and work to do better next time.

My comment about out in the open was in regards to you saying they shouldn’t be saying anything about fraud etc. to the media before the investigations as if they need to be quiet and not say anything. Yes, we will definitely have to disagree on that.

[Borgia_dude]

@RTchoke

If they come back clean, then they need to let it go and work to do better next time.

And them screaming “FRAUD!” before the investigation? Totally cool?

My comment about out in the open was in regards to you saying they shouldn’t be saying anything about fraud etc. to the media before the investigations as if they need to be quiet and not say anything. Yes, we will definitely have to disagree on that.

Look, there is a responsible way to do this without being silenced. Instead of saying there was massive fraud and Trump won the election (which assumes the outcome of the investigation), perhaps they could say they are concerned about election fraud and want to investigate to determine if there was? Seems that would be responsible, right?

[RTchoke]

@Borgia_dude

@RTchoke

If they come back clean, then they need to let it go and work to do better next time.

And them screaming “FRAUD!” before the investigation? Totally cool?

My comment about out in the open was in regards to you saying they shouldn’t be saying anything about fraud etc. to the media before the investigations as if they need to be quiet and not say anything. Yes, we will definitely have to disagree on that.

Look, there is a responsible way to do this without being silenced. Instead of saying there was massive fraud and Trump won the election (which assumes the outcome of the investigation), perhaps they could say they are concerned about election fraud and want to investigate to determine if there was? Seems that would be responsible, right?

In other words, say what we want you to say, the way we want you to say it.

As I said, we will definitely have to disagree on this.